13b Swap
07-20-2005, 01:29 PM
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i had posted this in the "engine swap" chat but its gone now so i'll post it agian now. since my problems with my 12A, and i was gonna do it anyway, i'm gonna put a 13BTT in my car. i have a mechanic who can do it but i can't decide if i want to go with Rotoryworks or Mazdatrix, i did find an engine, transmition, and complete wiring harness at this site called Jspec Auto Sports, (by the way if anyone knows anything about this place let me know) but they are only selling the engine as is no warranty, my mechanic advised against them because of that...any thoughts???
07-21-2005, 12:22 AM
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[quote name='juice0642' date='Jul 20 2005, 02:29 PM']i had posted this in the "engine swap" chat but its gone now so i'll post it agian now. since my problems with my 12A, and i was gonna do it anyway, i'm gonna put a 13BTT in my car. i have a mechanic who can do it but i can't decide if i want to go with Rotoryworks or Mazdatrix, i did find an engine, transmition, and complete wiring harness at this site called Jspec Auto Sports, (by the way if anyone knows anything about this place let me know) but they are only selling the engine as is no warranty, my mechanic advised against them because of that...any thoughts???
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First question: Why the hell do you want a twin setup?
Second Question: Why the hell do you want a twin setup?
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First question: Why the hell do you want a twin setup?
Second Question: Why the hell do you want a twin setup?
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07-21-2005, 09:22 AM
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[quote name='1revnrex' date='Jul 21 2005, 01:22 AM']First question: Why the hell do you want a twin setup?
Second Question: Why the hell do you want a twin setup?
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Hey thanks for coming out
You'll need to swap front cover and oil pan, and oil pickup from a GSL-SE 13B
the FD engine has rear engine mounts, the FB 13B has front cover engine mounts. All you have to do is swap over the front cover, install the brace, and now it's a bolt on. The oil pan and pickup goes with that style of mount, but I think you might be able to stick with the FD pan and pickup since it's not like (the most common) FC engine swap into the FB.. The FC pan and mounts are funny enough to neccessitate swapping the FB pan assembly
If you get an FD rear counterweight and bolt on a flywheel for an N/A engine, you can use your 12A transmission
But that won't hold up to twin turbo too well
But if you use the FD transmission, you'll have to fab custom transmission mounts and then have a custom driveshaft made.. A bit complicated... Not to mention all the fabbing involved with the IC setup for the twins, etc..
It's been done it's NOT cut and dry though, a bit more complex than you think
Sure beats a wimpy 12A though
Second Question: Why the hell do you want a twin setup?
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Hey thanks for coming out
You'll need to swap front cover and oil pan, and oil pickup from a GSL-SE 13B
the FD engine has rear engine mounts, the FB 13B has front cover engine mounts. All you have to do is swap over the front cover, install the brace, and now it's a bolt on. The oil pan and pickup goes with that style of mount, but I think you might be able to stick with the FD pan and pickup since it's not like (the most common) FC engine swap into the FB.. The FC pan and mounts are funny enough to neccessitate swapping the FB pan assembly
If you get an FD rear counterweight and bolt on a flywheel for an N/A engine, you can use your 12A transmission
But that won't hold up to twin turbo too well
But if you use the FD transmission, you'll have to fab custom transmission mounts and then have a custom driveshaft made.. A bit complicated... Not to mention all the fabbing involved with the IC setup for the twins, etc..
It's been done it's NOT cut and dry though, a bit more complex than you think
Sure beats a wimpy 12A though
07-21-2005, 05:21 PM
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Well then the same rules apply
Only you'll need for sure the GSL-SE oil pan and pickup assembly
I don't believe the FC transmission is a bolt on... Even if it is, the TII tailshaft has a bigger spline than the 12a/13b N/A stuff.. so still custom driveshaft required..
Since it's got the TMIC you can either cut a hole in the hood and make a scoop or you can replumb the intercooler
Only you'll need for sure the GSL-SE oil pan and pickup assembly
I don't believe the FC transmission is a bolt on... Even if it is, the TII tailshaft has a bigger spline than the 12a/13b N/A stuff.. so still custom driveshaft required..
Since it's got the TMIC you can either cut a hole in the hood and make a scoop or you can replumb the intercooler
07-23-2005, 12:42 AM
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[quote name='ColinRX7' date='Jul 21 2005, 10:22 AM']Hey thanks for coming out
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Hahahah You hate the **** out of me dont ya man?
Honestly with so many people bitching about difficulty tuning twins,under hood temps, and not enough room in a ******* FD, why would you wanna go sequential in an FB? A single is much easier to tune not to mention the stock tranny that is going to **** itself as soon as you get on the gas. N/A 12A is pushin 103 horse STOCK. My transmission is giving me **** with the stock motor as is.
As far as a 12A being a "wimpy" motor, do I have to link you to the numerous 12A 4 ports runnin around on boost that would stomp your ***? I mean really, how much can you tell me about a 12A? You didnt even know it was a 1.1 litre motor, I had to point that out to you. Just because you cant get parts out of the back of your Super Street mag for a 12A doesnt mean its "wimpy".
www.rotaryshack.com Go tell Rob what you think about 12A's. I need a laugh.
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Hahahah
Honestly with so many people bitching about difficulty tuning twins,under hood temps, and not enough room in a ******* FD, why would you wanna go sequential in an FB? A single is much easier to tune not to mention the stock tranny that is going to **** itself as soon as you get on the gas. N/A 12A is pushin 103 horse STOCK. My transmission is giving me **** with the stock motor as is.
As far as a 12A being a "wimpy" motor, do I have to link you to the numerous 12A 4 ports runnin around on boost that would stomp your ***? I mean really, how much can you tell me about a 12A? You didnt even know it was a 1.1 litre motor, I had to point that out to you. Just because you cant get parts out of the back of your Super Street mag for a 12A doesnt mean its "wimpy".
www.rotaryshack.com Go tell Rob what you think about 12A's. I need a laugh.
07-23-2005, 09:34 AM
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SURE BEATS A WIMPY STOCK PORT 20 YEAR OLD 12A WITH A 20 YEAR OLD CARB
God man, take everything so serious..
No kidding you can still make power out of a 12A... The guy said he wanted to do a 13B swap, there's the information he needs without the bullshit.
God man, take everything so serious..
No kidding you can still make power out of a 12A... The guy said he wanted to do a 13B swap, there's the information he needs without the bullshit.
07-23-2005, 09:36 AM
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[quote name='1revnrex' date='Jul 23 2005, 01:42 AM']Hahahah You hate the **** out of me dont ya man?
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BTW FYI, no, I don't, I would have responded he same way to anyone
anyone from nopistons knows that too
So to sum it up: relax
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BTW FYI, no, I don't, I would have responded he same way to anyone
anyone from nopistons knows that too
So to sum it up: relax
08-02-2005, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ColinRX7' date='Jul 21 2005, 06:22 AM
the FD engine has rear engine mounts, the FB 13B has front cover engine mounts. All you have to do is swap over the front cover, install the brace, and now it's a bolt on.