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toya 10-23-2007 11:22 PM

Hi,



I am new to this whole rotary world. I was wanting to do a direct fire on my 74 mazda rx4 but dont know where to start. Ive been trying to find a site with the schematics but ive had no luck. So if anyone can give info on the whole rx4 iginition, ill take it.





Ohh, heres some info on my rx4, it has a 13b rotary with a two barrel carb on it, car turns over but has no spark at all to actually fire it up. Also my distributor has two black boxes on it instead of the metal ones.



So if anyone has some clue on why this is happening that would be excellent.



Thanks

Bernard 10-25-2007 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by toya' post='886185' date='Oct 23 2007, 09:22 PM
Hi,



I am new to this whole rotary world. I was wanting to do a direct fire on my 74 mazda rx4 but dont know where to start. Ive been trying to find a site with the schematics but ive had no luck. So if anyone can give info on the whole rx4 iginition, ill take it.

Ohh, heres some info on my rx4, it has a 13b rotary with a two barrel carb on it, car turns over but has no spark at all to actually fire it up. Also my distributor has two black boxes on it instead of the metal ones.



So if anyone has some clue on why this is happening that would be excellent.



Thanks



I have never heard of direct fire. Also strange is that your 13B has a 2-barrel carburetor, as stock would be a single 4-bbl. Some people convert to a performance 2-barrel, such as a Weber, but that immediate indicates that something has been done to that engine that's out of the book. Lastly, I don't know what black boxes on the distributor you are referring to. It's a bit unclear what you are dealing with.

The first thing you want to explore is why you don't have a spark. If the car was running before you got it, the coils and ignitors would be my first guess. But again, if you are totally in the dark, consulting somebody who knows about rotaries might be your smartest move at this point.

Good luck!

dac 10-25-2007 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by toya' post='886185' date='Oct 24 2007, 04:22 AM
Hi,



I am new to this whole rotary world. I was wanting to do a direct fire on my 74 mazda rx4 but dont know where to start. Ive been trying to find a site with the schematics but ive had no luck. So if anyone can give info on the whole rx4 iginition, ill take it.

Ohh, heres some info on my rx4, it has a 13b rotary with a two barrel carb on it, car turns over but has no spark at all to actually fire it up. Also my distributor has two black boxes on it instead of the metal ones.



So if anyone has some clue on why this is happening that would be excellent.



Thanks



Direct Fire as in NO Distributor? I suppose you could swap RX7 parts (Mainly the CAS and 4 Coils).

TulsaTurbo 10-26-2007 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by toya' post='886185' date='Oct 23 2007, 08:22 PM
I was wanting to do a direct fire on my 74 mazda rx4 but dont know where to start. Ive been trying to find a site with the schematics but ive had no luck.



(DLIDFIS) Dual Leading Ignitor Direct Fire Ignition



Check it out here: http://www.needfulthings.net/rx3club/forum...ay;threadid=116

75 Repu 10-27-2007 06:15 PM

check out this link.. very useful too.. http://www.geocities.com/cd23c/ignition.html

toya 10-28-2007 12:54 AM

thanks that was some really help ful info I just hope I can get all the wiring down

toya 10-28-2007 01:08 AM

Okay I read the two will it be easier with the j109 or wells IM and also to double check how is the wiring on the distirbutor. But thanks that was some really helpful info I just hope I can get all the wiring down. I let you guys know if I have any more questions

75 Repu 10-28-2007 07:42 PM

depending on where you live the j109 ignitors might be easy to snag at a wrecking yard.. but if not you'd probably wanna go with some from a local store.. the gm hei ignitors are a popular alternative..

TulsaTurbo 10-28-2007 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by toya' post='886450' date='Oct 27 2007, 10:08 PM
Okay I read the two will it be easier with the j109 or wells IM and also to double check how is the wiring on the distirbutor. But thanks that was some really helpful info I just hope I can get all the wiring down. I let you guys know if I have any more questions

I drew up some new pictorials that may better show how its all wired up if you are still unsure...

Eric Happy Meal 11-05-2007 06:07 PM

is there any advantage in using MSD coils over the stock ones, or is it a very small improvement?


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