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toddp31 07-13-2003 09:16 PM

Has anyone changed there oil coolers lines to braided with An fittings, and maybe the single oil feed line. I was looking for sizes of AN fittings and maybe length of the braided lines. I think they should flow a little better, or I could just buy a kit that comes with everything. Do you know where I could get some?

1Revvin7 07-13-2003 10:39 PM

It would save you a lot of money if you had a nearby hydralics shop, that could just reuse your stock fittings and add SS hose to them...

toddp31 07-13-2003 10:44 PM

Around here I don't know any hydro shops, plus they probally don't speak english. Just have to meet the right people and get the hook ups!

rx7tt95 07-14-2003 02:08 PM

I know the front cover and filter base banjo bolt size is 18mmx1.5. You'll need a TIGHT radius 90 degree to go from the front cover adapter and clear the A/C stuff. A 60 or 90mm for the oil filter base. Again you'd need a metric adapter 18mmx1.5 to 10 AN (two of them). The oil cooler lines themselves terminate in a 22mmx1.5 fitting so use the 22mmx1.5 to 10AN adapter. I can't remember off hand if it's male or female. I haven't installed my stuff yet and just purchased both ($8) each. www.batinc.net has everything although I don't think that'll help you in Japan! I'd estimate you'll need about 10 ft. of 10AN braided hose which should give you a bit of wiggle room if you screw something up :-)

toddp31 07-14-2003 05:04 PM

thanks alot

qwck10th 07-22-2003 04:32 PM

In case you decide to skip the hydraulics shop,

Racing Beat makes a "kit". Already has the adapters

and is cut to proper length. Pricey though $225, IIRC.

Works great. Messy install.



{ed} Corksport.com make one too, I believe. {/ed}



Steve C.

toddp31 07-22-2003 06:07 PM

Where I couldn't find?

IGY 07-23-2003 03:38 AM


Originally Posted by qwck10th' date='Jul 23 2003, 06:32 AM
In case you decide to skip the hydraulics shop,

Racing Beat makes a "kit". Already has the adapters

and is cut to proper length. Pricey though $225, IIRC.

Works great. Messy install.

I thought their kit was fro an FC? And the FC adapters are 16mm and 18mm, not both 18mm like the FD.

jspecracer7 07-25-2003 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by rx7tt95' date='Jul 15 2003, 04:08 AM
I know the front cover and filter base banjo bolt size is 18mmx1.5. You'll need a TIGHT radius 90 degree to go from the front cover adapter and clear the A/C stuff. A 60 or 90mm for the oil filter base. Again you'd need a metric adapter 18mmx1.5 to 10 AN (two of them). The oil cooler lines themselves terminate in a 22mmx1.5 fitting so use the 22mmx1.5 to 10AN adapter. I can't remember off hand if it's male or female. I haven't installed my stuff yet and just purchased both ($8) each. www.batinc.net has everything although I don't think that'll help you in Japan! I'd estimate you'll need about 10 ft. of 10AN braided hose which should give you a bit of wiggle room if you screw something up :-)

Good info!

jspecracer7 07-25-2003 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by toddp31' date='Jul 14 2003, 11:16 AM
Has anyone changed there oil coolers lines to braided with An fittings, and maybe the single oil feed line. I was looking for sizes of AN fittings and maybe length of the braided lines. I think they should flow a little better, or I could just buy a kit that comes with everything. Do you know where I could get some?

you can do a single oil cooler kit with a/n fittings for less than $200 including fittings/aftermarket oil cooler. PM me or get ahold of me on AIM...jspecracerseven

toddp31 07-26-2003 11:50 AM

I'll order some fittings this week and some braided lines and try to make it work. Thanks guys

rx7tt95 07-29-2003 07:33 PM

I do believe that if you add an oil cooler on to the stock unit you'll have to add a thermostat as well as the thermostat for the stock oil cooler is IN the cooler itself. So, it comes out the front cover, into the first oil cooler where, if the oil is cold, gets bypassed by the thermostat sending COLD oil to the second cooler. You want to avoid that as it can burst the oil cooler when the oil is cold and it'll take longer for the car to warm up. I just ordered a Mocal 235 series 25 row...perfect size and much larger than stock. I originally ordered a 115 series 34 row. It'll fit (34 row) but it's tall and very thin in width. The 235 series 25 row row is actually larger than the 115series 34 row. Go to www.batinc.net to see the coolers and measurements. Setrab makes great coolers as well.

Michel

apexkw 07-29-2003 07:42 PM

ah man michel i wish you would have told me that you ordered it...becasue harrison and i were going to order some and the guys there were going to give us a nice disount! since we were going to buy a couple of them...oh well

twinturborx7pete 07-30-2003 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by rx7tt95' date='Jul 29 2003, 04:33 PM
I do believe that if you add an oil cooler on to the stock unit you'll have to add a thermostat as well as the thermostat for the stock oil cooler is IN the cooler itself. So, it comes out the front cover, into the first oil cooler where, if the oil is cold, gets bypassed by the thermostat sending COLD oil to the second cooler. You want to avoid that as it can burst the oil cooler when the oil is cold and it'll take longer for the car to warm up. I just ordered a Mocal 235 series 25 row...perfect size and much larger than stock. I originally ordered a 115 series 34 row. It'll fit (34 row) but it's tall and very thin in width. The 235 series 25 row row is actually larger than the 115series 34 row. Go to www.batinc.net to see the coolers and measurements. Setrab makes great coolers as well.

Michel

i'm very interested in an oil cooler upgrade.. the 200$ deal seems good Jspec, got any info you can give me? I went to the bat site.. looks good too, but i'll also need the lines? where can i get those if i want to make my own kit? And as for a duct, what about that?

jspecracer7 07-31-2003 06:50 AM

http://www.elephantracing.com/oilhan...boilcooler.htm



PART NUMBER: 1-STD625 $157.00

m22 to -10 adpt X2 pn: m22an10 $6 X2

That's the 25 row oil cooler with fittings. Larger than the stock FD oil cooler.







From summitracing.com you'll need to order these parts:

10ft -10 hose pn: aer-fca1010 $61.95

18mm to -10 adpt X2 pn: ear9919ffk $12.99 X2

90 hose end -10 X4 pn: ear309110 $18.50 X4



I mis calculated. The total cost is $330.93 not including shipping.

twinturborx7pete 07-31-2003 08:16 AM

do you need 2 of those hoses?

jspecracer7 07-31-2003 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by twinturborx7pete' date='Jul 31 2003, 10:16 PM
do you need 2 of those hoses?

hell no! Just one. 10 feet of -1 is enough to do the d/s oil cooler.

twinturborx7pete 07-31-2003 08:53 PM

i meant, one for return and send? or do u just cut that hose?

jspecracer7 07-31-2003 09:49 PM


Originally Posted by twinturborx7pete' date='Aug 1 2003, 10:53 AM
i meant, one for return and send? or do u just cut that hose?

You'll cut that hose to length.

93BlackFD 08-03-2003 03:55 PM

stock oil coolers are 20x1.5



not 22

jspecracer7 08-03-2003 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by 93BlackFD' date='Aug 4 2003, 05:55 AM
stock oil coolers are 20x1.5



not 22

The part number( m22 to -10 adpt X2 pn: m22an10 $6 X2)is for the aftermarket oil coolers, not the stock ones.

rx7tt95 08-03-2003 08:39 PM

Hrm...I was told that the oil coolers (stock) are 22...perhaps it's the fittings in the line? I dunno...I have both male/female in 22. Had planned to install the additional cooler this weekend but ran out of time. FD, you positive on this? Are you referring to the fittings going into the cooler (stock) itself or the fittings in the lines just before the stock oil cooler?

jspecracer7 08-03-2003 09:55 PM

The part number I am referring to is NOT to be used for stock oil coolers. I am giving a part number for a 25 row aftermarket oil cooler, NOT the stock oil coolers.



The write up is for those people who wanted to know how much a single oil cooler upgrade would cost. I gave them the part numbers for that, NOT the stock oil coolers. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif

rx7tt95 08-03-2003 10:20 PM

Mocal comes in various sizes. You can get them in 8AN through 14AN I believe. Where exactly would the M22x1.5 go?

jspecracer7 08-03-2003 10:40 PM


Originally Posted by rx7tt95' date='Aug 4 2003, 12:20 PM
Mocal comes in various sizes. You can get them in 8AN through 14AN I believe. Where exactly would the M22x1.5 go?

on the aftermarket oil coolers.



I got a ton of pm's asking me to hook them up on aftermarket oil coolers for $200. I did my math wrong and it was actually $300~ to get a 25 row strab oil cooler with a/n fittings and -10 hose.



The 22 is for the AFTERMARKET oil coolers, not the stockers https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/cool.png

rx7tt95 08-03-2003 11:22 PM

I understand that, but I'm asking WHERE you're going to use a 22mm fitting on the aftermarket oil cooler if the actual fittings on the cooler are 10AN and the braided lines are 10AN? Sorry to be a PITA, I'm just not understanding where you're using the fittings on the aftermarket cooler. FD's saying that the fittings on the stock cooler are 20mm not 22 (which I was told) and there are additional fittings on the stock oil cooler lines. If you "branch" off one of the oil cooler lines that run to the stock oil cooler, you'd need an adapter which I'm "hoping" is 22mmx1.5. Is that what you're referring to????

jspecracer7 08-03-2003 11:45 PM


Originally Posted by rx7tt95' date='Aug 4 2003, 01:22 PM
I understand that, but I'm asking WHERE you're going to use a 22mm fitting on the aftermarket oil cooler if the actual fittings on the cooler are 10AN and the braided lines are 10AN? Sorry to be a PITA, I'm just not understanding where you're using the fittings on the aftermarket cooler. FD's saying that the fittings on the stock cooler are 20mm not 22 (which I was told) and there are additional fittings on the stock oil cooler lines. If you "branch" off one of the oil cooler lines that run to the stock oil cooler, you'd need an adapter which I'm "hoping" is 22mmx1.5. Is that what you're referring to????

oops :P



on the oil cooler itself. It's threaded on the bottom(or top...whichever way you want to mount it) You add the M22 -10 adapter to it and make your oil cooler lines to the engine.



sorry for the mix up https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif

jspecracer7 08-03-2003 11:49 PM

Wait a second...I think I know where the mix up is.



The part numbers I gave out are to completely replace the oil coolers, not add an oil cooler to the existing one. Is this what your trying to do?

jspecracer7 08-04-2003 07:41 PM

Update!



Igy found the oil coolers on summitracing's website. They're cheaper and come with the fittings. Problem is that the 25 row oil coolers are on back order. Here's the info:



EAR-42510 Oil Cooler, Temp-A-Cure, 25 Row 7 3/4`` High, -10 AN Male Fitting, Wide $162.39 B/O

GoRacer 08-04-2003 11:29 PM

That sounds like the Crooked Willow setup, assuming you replace the 1st one as well (less carbon ducts). Has anyone ever settled the which is better: One large or two small oil coolers?

jspecracer7 08-05-2003 02:51 AM


Originally Posted by GoRacer' date='Aug 5 2003, 01:29 PM
That sounds like the Crooked Willow setup, assuming you replace the 1st one as well (less carbon ducts). Has anyone ever settled the which is better: One large or two small oil coolers?

Well, according to the defi gauge oil temp, one 25 row is slightly better than 2 stock oil coolers. With a fan coming on when the radiator fans come on, it is 20 degrees cooler than the stock oil coolers. So assuming that the 34 row is better than the 25 row, its safe to assume that 2 34 row oil coolers would kick ass...but one 25 row oil cooler with fan is still excellent.

rx7tt95 08-05-2003 10:01 AM

Ah gotcha...I think we were both confused :-) Your oil cooler that you are using have a 22mm fitting on it already, right? The Earl's units are Setrab coolers. Good stuff. My 25 row Mocal has 10AN fittings. Seems EVERYONE is out of 10AN including Mocal dealers. I know that www.batinc.net just got a bunch in as did racerpartswholesale.com in the the 25 row size. I'm simply keeping the stock driver's side oil cooler and adding a 25 row to the passenger's side for now. My single is oil fed only and I live in an extremely hot climate so this should do my oil a world of good! Oh, if they don't have the 10AN oil coolers in stock, go with the 12AN and use a 12AN to 10AN adapter if you're in a hurry to get one. I believe they get shipments once a month from Britain where Mocal stuff is made.



My thoughts on 1 large vs. 2 smaller, one 235 series Mocal 34 row would fit with a bit of effort, would be lighter, have fewer lines, fewer AN fittings, fewer connections (naturally) and fewer places to leak! You would have to fab a duct and it would be best if you had an aftermarket front fascia instead of the stock nose pieces. With a 25 row, it'll fit nicely with a FEED, GTC or C-West front and you won't need a duct if positioned correctly.

GoRacer 08-05-2003 06:52 PM

This sounds like a good idea. I've looked at the CWR kit and drooled over the Greddy kit but I can just add a 2nd (larger) cooler without replacing the 1st one and not have to worry about the temperature dealybob thing mentioned that is built in to the 1st cooler and save big bucks.

93BlackFD 08-07-2003 02:52 PM

i have 20x1.5 and they do not fit the stock oil coolers, i ordered 22x1.5 instead, hopefully it will worko



sorry i suck!

rx7tt95 08-08-2003 07:36 PM

:-) Thanks for posting the mistake. You had me worried there for a while. Almost ordered the 20mm's just in case!

Michel


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