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pk797 10-17-2006 02:00 AM

Think you guy's could take a look and tell me if this thing is salvageable, or just a expensive paper weight?

pk797 10-17-2006 02:08 AM

If you look you'll see that it looks like the rotor hit the side plate and it's also has a pretty good amount of blow-by around and past the side seals. I just don't know what came first the touching of the side housings or the blow by.

pk797 10-17-2006 02:17 AM

Both the plates and the rotors have blackened marking on them. I'm not sure what happened, but there was no signs of detenation when I drove it. Zero in fact. Motor was recently rebuild and clearanced with all seals. Stock turbo and electronics, only mild street porting done. I just don't know what happened? Anyone have any idea?

Nospig 10-17-2006 02:54 AM

Lack of oil . Engine was about to seize or started to. The rotors are not salvageable. When the oil is not there to keep them cool they expand and the side seals are toast. The side plates may be beyond repair also , lapping them may save them but the hardening may have been damaged leaving only soft metal.

Best to find a new block.

j9fd3s 10-17-2006 10:29 AM

yep its toast

banzaitoyota 10-17-2006 12:17 PM

stick a fork in it, its done :(

rotary632 10-17-2006 06:01 PM

Yeah, that seems to be the consenses from out here too. I think I'm done with these things. Had enough.

SpooledupRacing 10-17-2006 07:25 PM

damn thats sucks.. it deffinatly looks like u need a new engine thats just gone!

pk797 10-17-2006 09:44 PM

Yeah I responed before with my freinds account, but ya pretty much sucks. I'm looking for a good S5 block. If anyone know of one please let me know.

guitarjunkie28 10-26-2006 06:13 AM

that ****'ll buff out :p

pk797 10-26-2006 07:45 AM

Yeah I hear that, but listen try not to be so technical next time though.

BDC 10-30-2006 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by Nospig' post='841146' date='Oct 16 2006, 11:54 PM

Lack of oil . Engine was about to seize or started to. The rotors are not salvageable. When the oil is not there to keep them cool they expand and the side seals are toast. The side plates may be beyond repair also , lapping them may save them but the hardening may have been damaged leaving only soft metal.

Best to find a new block.



I agree. About the best that can be kept out of this is the rotor housings, possibly.



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pk797 10-31-2006 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by BDC' post='843132' date='Oct 30 2006, 08:13 AM

I agree. About the best that can be kept out of this is the rotor housings, possibly.



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Yeah I think we all agree on that, but what I'm curious about now is what caused the lack of oil and why? The motor was rebuild with all new internals including all new seals all new bearings and a new pump, but it seems that the problem started with coolant mixing with the oil, which then resulted in the failure you see now. I'm think it was this mixture of the coolant with the oil that did her in, so to speak. I could be wrong though.

j9fd3s 10-31-2006 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by pk797' post='843292' date='Oct 31 2006, 05:34 AM

Yeah I think we all agree on that, but what I'm curious about now is what caused the lack of oil and why? The motor was rebuild with all new internals including all new seals all new bearings and a new pump, but it seems that the problem started with coolant mixing with the oil, which then resulted in the failure you see now. I'm think it was this mixture of the coolant with the oil that did her in, so to speak. I could be wrong though.



theres a freeze plug on the fron iron, almost the only way that can happen

pk797 10-31-2006 09:59 AM

That's good i9fd3 and I will double check that, but I'm almost certain that was not missing when I opened it up.

BDC 10-31-2006 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s' post='843309' date='Oct 31 2006, 07:42 AM

theres a freeze plug on the fron iron, almost the only way that can happen



Yep, either that or a problem w/ an outer water jacket o-ring during assembly or a cracked or broken outer water jacket o-ring land at the bottom of one of the irons that'd lead water to drip into the pan..



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