so im doing this whole renesis into a 1st gen thing for real finally...
and i using a 1st gen front cover for the FC distributor. so i have to change the oil pan. the renesis is about 2 inches longer (not exactly) than other 13b's. the front and rear plates are thicker. but the center is the same. obviously the housings stayed the same. the runners are a little further starting point from the rotors to take away some of the drastic turn we see in earlier runners, but back to my topic. so because its longer, using a gsl-se oil pan will not work like when dropping earlier 13b's into a 1st gen. i seen another guy that was doing this on here just took two 12a oil pans and extended it into one correctly sized one. but since i dont want t ruin my gsl-se oil pan, and dont wanna buy 2 12a oil pans just to cut them up. i could just buy some aluminum plate and make one. heres the plan so far... 1/4 inch 6061 T-6 aluminum for the flange that bolts to motor. and 1/8 inch inch for the rest of it. it will all be flat, no curves. and was thinking of just measuring and copying the gsl-se oil pan dimension of depth so i know its right. but if im going to be making one, why not try to improve on it. and what about a baffle, but not seperate. instead of cutting out the inside of the plate when making the flange. just leave it and cut the hole that are needed, like a hole for the pick up...??? comments and ideas wanted... |
heres a quick paint drawing...
hope this helps explain what im thinking about the baffle thing. https://i282.photobucket.com/albums/...o/untitled.jpg |
yeah just build the baffle into the pan. the other thing is to make it hold more oil.
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i think i might go thicket then 1/8", unless you make sure the oil pan is well protected. go ask the FD guys about the ground zero oil pan issues...one guy simply hit a small rock in the road and it blew up his aluminum oil pan and his motor.
either that or just make a SS one. kevin. |
Originally Posted by teknics' post='903330' date='Jul 2 2008, 06:49 PM
i think i might go thicket then 1/8", unless you make sure the oil pan is well protected. go ask the FD guys about the ground zero oil pan issues...one guy simply hit a small rock in the road and it blew up his aluminum oil pan and his motor.
either that or just make a SS one. kevin. Thats true, but a fabricated pan wont be brittle like cast aluminum. 1/8" should be plenty for an oil pan. 6061 is pretty much the standard for fabricating with aluminum, and its pretty strong as well as tough. The 1/4" plate that will be the base(flange) for the oil pan should do a good job of controlling the flexing of the block. I see that as more of an issue than rocks from the road with the cast pan from ground zero. |
DOH forgot their pan was cast lol.
kevin. |
im thinking of making my own pick up too, so i dont have to design my pan around a mazda one.
how deep should it come? just about touching the bottom of the deepest point? |
Originally Posted by sen2two' post='903533' date='Jul 4 2008, 01:05 AM
im thinking of making my own pick up too, so i dont have to design my pan around a mazda one.
how deep should it come? just about touching the bottom of the deepest point? id say measure the stocker, ive got no idea what stock clearance is |
Originally Posted by sen2two' post='903533' date='Jul 4 2008, 03:05 AM
im thinking of making my own pick up too, so i dont have to design my pan around a mazda one.
how deep should it come? just about touching the bottom of the deepest point? Make the inlet with a good bell curve, and keep the pickup off the bottom of the pan at least the ID of the pickup tube. As a rule of thumb on the bell curve, the radius should be 1/2 ID. If its a 3/4" ID tube, flare it out to 1 1/2" at the end to ensure proper flow. I dont think I ever took a pic, but on all of my high revving motors, Ive removed the screen, and welded washers onto the bottom of the pickup tube, and ground it into a nice radiused inlet. Without a radiused inlet, flow into a tube can be reduced by as much as 1/3. |
so you didnt use a screen on the pick up at all???
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