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Don1 08-20-2007 08:54 AM

My motor is a 13B. I did the street port myself and it is run only on the track. At full chat on the track at 145 mph and 7500 rpm I am seeing a/f of 12.5 but my egt can go over 1900 degrees F. My understanding, when I ran the same motor before my porting in a Formula Mazda, was that I should aim for an egt of 1675 which would indicate the best mixture.



It seems to me that if my a/f is ok the egt should not be that high.



I have several concerns:

What should the egt be?

How high is too high? What will fail if I get the egt too high?

If I need to get the egt down, should I just keep putting in richer main jets, or, am I missing something?



My setup now is: Weber 51 IDA (Racing Beat) with 45mm chokes, F11 emul., 70F10, 220 main fuel, 160 air.



Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

j9fd3s 08-20-2007 09:31 AM

[does his best lynn hannover impression]



everything affects egt, timing mixture, outside air temp, oil and water temps.



most obvious thing, would be to richen it up, the extra fuel will help cool things down.



you might wanna look at timing, its prolly pretty optimum...



intake temps? oil temps? water temps?

Don1 08-20-2007 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s' post='880749' date='Aug 20 2007, 10:31 AM
[does his best lynn hannover impression]



everything affects egt, timing mixture, outside air temp, oil and water temps.



most obvious thing, would be to richen it up, the extra fuel will help cool things down.



you might wanna look at timing, its prolly pretty optimum...



intake temps? oil temps? water temps?



Timing - 10 degrees leading and trailing. Should I advance or retard?

Outside air - 80 degrees

Oil and water temp - 200 degrees

Intake gets good outside air. My guess would be about 90 degrees

j9fd3s 08-20-2007 02:27 PM

unless its a P-port, that tining looks a little retarded. more normal to see people in the 22-24BTDC L range. i would try 15btdc for a lap, and see where that gets ya

turborotor 08-20-2007 02:34 PM

Mike is right, 10 is very retarded, the will cause the fuel to ignite longer in the exhaust.

Don1 08-20-2007 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by turborotor' post='880786' date='Aug 20 2007, 03:34 PM
Mike is right, 10 is very retarded, the will cause the fuel to ignite longer in the exhaust.



Thanks guys. I relied on my memory for the timing instead of looking it up. It is set to 22 degrees. Sorry for the misinformation.

mazdaspeed7 08-20-2007 09:28 PM

If I read that correctly, you are running zero split, leading and trailing firing at the same time. If so, that can raise the EGT's.

Don1 08-21-2007 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by mazdaspeed7' post='880811' date='Aug 20 2007, 10:28 PM
If I read that correctly, you are running zero split, leading and trailing firing at the same time. If so, that can raise the EGT's.



In a Formula Mazda the leading and trailing timing is the same. It never caused high egt before.

1Revvin7 08-21-2007 10:18 AM

only way I've ever seen that high is timing as mentioned...

Don1 08-21-2007 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by 1Revvin7' post='880842' date='Aug 21 2007, 11:18 AM
only way I've ever seen that high is timing as mentioned...

Thanks. I agree. BUT, I have been offered an explanation that hadn't occurred to me. If you run TOO rich, there is the possibility that you could have burning fuel, that didn't get burned in the motor, going through the exhaust port and creating an excessively high egt. It was suggested to me to consider that possibility when a/f to egt relationship doesn't make sense otherwise.



All I can do to test that theory is to wait for an opportunity to get on the track and lean this sucker down to see what happens. Racing Beat suggested using 240 fuel and 110 air. It seems to me that my current setup, 220 main and 160 air, should not be that much too rich.



I checked the timing an hour ago and it is correct.


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