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phinsup 10-02-2002 04:25 PM

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Twin89Stangs 10-02-2002 04:50 PM

would think this would be an easy kill as I think the MX6 turbo's only have like 160hp stock... since their turbo is boosting like 6lbs....



and if it is an auto its even worse... hahaha

RX7Aggie 10-02-2002 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by rukh' date='Oct 3 2002, 03:19 AM
and dont worry about the race. I have this kid who lives down the street from me who owns a GT MX-6 and I tear him up on a daily basis with my NA 7 but I DO have a TON of driving experience. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/BURNOUT.gif



when you do race him. I would say you should dump your clutch at about 4000-4500 rpms (everyone else agree, for street?) And shift at about 6500 rpms, but keep the gas pedal floored, so the rpms rev up to about 7000 while you throw a quik shift. have fun https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png





-rukh

I agree. And when your shifting, you dont really need to push the clutch in all the way and hold it, just enough to get a shift off, a quick in-and-out motion.



I dump mine at 4500 rpm and get some mad hopping action, presumably form the LSMD. Once I stick, its seems like its already shifting action, one more shift, and I'm at 60 mph. Gotta love the rotary.



Oh yeah, on breakin, I went something like 800 mi under 4K, then gradually started going up to 5 and 6K every now and then for another 100 mi. I tried to keep from downshifting above 4K. Once I hit 900 mi, I started gradually pushing up a little further on back roads, no major racing though. Once I hit 960 mi, I pulled up next to an Impreza, and I couldn't resist.



A $5000 rebuild in one year isn't worth one race and $100.



Winning one race: Cool

Net gain: -$4900



Overall feeling: Stupid

Don't do it, take a road trip first.

Turbo II 10-02-2002 06:13 PM

yeah break that motor in first. better safe than sorry. and does he have NAWSSSSSS and does he "Shift Mad Quick Yo"? let us know how it goes

Googes 10-02-2002 07:23 PM

Hey i'm new to this forum and https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683894.gif rx-7's i just killed my 1991 celica so i bought a 1987 rx-7 tII from this garage i know,,,they hook up mostly mazda 7's and vw's,,,my 7's got a new rebuilt engine raceing beat duel exhaust and an intake so im guessen im pushen about 200hp maybe alittle more anywayz i got plans to race this kid from my old high school he has a turbo mx-6 and used to distroy my celica so i figure its time for some pay back so i dropped him a call and he jumped at the chance to race me and added alittle about how wack my 87 rx would be (showen how he knows **** about cars) i dont think he knows it has a turbo,,,lol he'll find out soon tho so i dropped 100bucks on the race,,,i havent even drove the car yet since its not even finished and im kinda dreading the race since my engine is new and i dont wanna risk messen it up,,,would one race mess anything up? i got 100 bucks on the line,, :twisted:

treceb 10-02-2002 07:33 PM

races dont kill rx7s, bad drivers kill rx7s. just make sure you stay within the engines limits.

and if the engine is new make sure it is broken in before hand.

Rotaryman88 10-02-2002 07:35 PM

Well, your motor is gonna need the 1K mile break-in period where you cant go over 4KRPM...so just drive a lot before the race, break the motor in...not following the breakin procedure can lead to BIG problems down the road, not to mention, fresh motors dont have full compression right away as the apex seals are still loosening up a bit, so take it easy...

Googes 10-02-2002 07:50 PM

i better do a lot of driven before this weekend,,lol

rukh 10-02-2002 08:19 PM

and dont worry about the race. I have this kid who lives down the street from me who owns a GT MX-6 and I tear him up on a daily basis with my NA 7 but I DO have a TON of driving experience. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/BURNOUT.gif



when you do race him. I would say you should dump your clutch at about 4000-4500 rpms (everyone else agree, for street?) And shift at about 6500 rpms, but keep the gas pedal floored, so the rpms rev up to about 7000 while you throw a quik shift. have fun https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png





-rukh

sidewinderx7 10-02-2002 08:25 PM

I usually shift at about 8-8.5k that way when i shift im put right into the powerband of the next gear. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

rukh 10-02-2002 08:28 PM

what car do you have? is it safe to shift my first gen like that?





-rukh

sidewinderx7 10-02-2002 08:33 PM

I have a 91 TII ... I also have a 84 gsl-se (thats for sale) ... I never shifted it like that though. In races i would take it to red line, then shift right there. You could try it, im sure it wont hurt as long as you have enough oil. And dont hold it there long, just long enough to shift to the next gear.

rukh 10-02-2002 08:35 PM

ok, so a quik throw at about 7000 is the redline for a first gen right? cool. so yeah shift at about 6500-6700 but keep the pedal mashed down https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

sidewinderx7 10-02-2002 08:37 PM

If you want you can go a little past red line. That way you will be in higher rpms when you shift.

rukh 10-02-2002 08:46 PM

listen to sidewinder, since he has a TII https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



-rukh

OKIERX-7 10-02-2002 09:10 PM

Mx-6 GT should be an easy kill. I used to beat those with my ****-ass 90 NA all the time.

rukh 10-02-2002 10:38 PM

oh, im sure he "shifts mad quik yo"



you know what would be tight? if he had NOS and he lost the race but blew up his engine, than you could tell him to keep the $100 to buy a gun to shoot himself with. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif





-rukh

Googes 10-02-2002 11:06 PM

haha nope he doesnt have nos just a cheap intake, he shifts like my grandma anywayz,,i always see him grind in gears,,i have no doubt in my mind about me winning,,im an ok driver nothen special if i get used to the feel of a car im even better but its wednesday night and i still dont have the keys,,,its still in the garage,,its running now tho so i should have it tomorrow,,i hope,,tnxs for the positive surport ill let u guys know how it goes down sat night,,,oh one more thing,,,i got the car for about 4k new engine new pain intake raceing beat exhaust new tires extra gauges pork speakers,,i know its a good deal,,, https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png ,,how much do u think i should ask if i try to sell,,i wanna get a third gen :twisted: LAte Googes

FCmaniac 10-03-2002 12:10 PM

They actually stuck an MX6 turbo in the rotary NA class at a race back in 97 at MIR. He was running 15.5's with exhaust, intake and MBC which really isn't great for a turbo. Anyway, I was running 15.7-15.8 in my NA back then so it should be no problem for your T2.

RX7Aggie 10-03-2002 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by Googes' date='Oct 3 2002, 06:06 AM
haha nope he doesnt have nos just a cheap intake, he shifts like my grandma anywayz,,i always see him grind in gears,,i have no doubt in my mind about me winning,,im an ok driver nothen special if i get used to the feel of a car im even better but its wednesday night and i still dont have the keys,,,its still in the garage,,its running now tho so i should have it tomorrow,,i hope,,tnxs for the positive surport ill let u guys know how it goes down sat night,,,oh one more thing,,,i got the car for about 4k new engine new pain intake raceing beat exhaust new tires extra gauges pork speakers,,i know its a good deal,,, https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png ,,how much do u think i should ask if i try to sell,,i wanna get a third gen :twisted: LAte Googes

Keep the TII, you don't see many of those on the roads...well you dont see many RX-7s in general on the road, but you get the idea. I personally think it's a prettier car, a little more natural. The 3rd gen is a little too exotic. Let me give you an analogy:



Carmen Electra is definitely hot, a supermodel of sorts. But would you really want her as a wife, no, too high maintenance, but awesome for an occasional ride. Carmen = 3rd Gen.



No a 2nd gen might not be as new or fun, but it is definitely the best for a daily drive, and quite reliable as long as you dont do anything stupid. 2nd Gen = cute girlfriend with awesome personality.



You want the cute girlfriend. Stick with the 2nd gen. However, you should be able to sell it for some decent money and find plenty of interested people. Be sure to keep all documentation of work done to prove it's worth.



In general, I believe you can upgrade 2nd gen's for a lot cheaper and get a lot more power out than stock over a 3rd gen. Also, single turbo = a lot less trouble and money.



YOu also get the surprise value with the 2nd gen. People expect a 3rd gen to be fast just looking at it, you pull up to a light, everyone expects you to will...because you will. however, with a properly modded 2nd gen, people might just blow you off as an old pos hasbeen(especially people in mustangs and ricers), and you have the satisfactions of handing their coffee-can exhaust over to then when the light turns green...with a car that cost at least 1/3 of theirs.

sidewinderx7 10-03-2002 02:13 PM

damn... couldnt have said it bettrer https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif

Googes 10-05-2002 01:18 AM

Yea,, damn dude that really makes me think,, very very good points i had not thought about that before 2nd gen is looking a lot nicer since i'm in college and have like no money i think the 2nd gen would fit my life style very nice,,oh and i just got the 7 on the road,,kinda i had to order a new valve from mazda which should be in around 3 days from now,,car runs fine without it just starting it is kinda hard,,lol anywayz the inside of the car is stripped im missing knobs and switches no radio my passenger power window switch doesn't work nor my sunroof and back window wiper,,the guy who had the car before me had a nice little system to bad he took it with him leaven me with holes in the door where tweeters used to be installed,,im ganna have to re do the system which i can live with,,if any of u guys know of good audio stuff let me know,,and the none power steering is ganna take some getting used to,,,but its worth it to hear that turbo,,i havent taken it over 4k rpm but i can feel the power anyway,,i cant wait to brake in the engine

7mech 10-08-2002 10:39 PM

Googes, sidewinderx7 means well with his advice about launching and shifting I'm sure, but I wouldn't follow it. You'll most likely get a better launch at about 3400 to 3700 rpm. Also I wouldn't quick/power shift like that until you get used to the car. If you do so without experience you will most likely grind the **** out of your gears. One more point, the TII redline is 8000 rpm and if you shift at that point you will be way past your power band. If I were you I would try shifting at about 6000 rpm. If you do that you will finish your shift at about 6500 rpm and will still be in your power ban for the next gear. I'm sorry sidewinderx7 that I don't agree with your shifting and launching points. You more than likely have more mods than Googes or I. These mods must allow you to do these things and get extremely good results, his car and my car just don't react well to them.

Fastrotaries 10-08-2002 11:44 PM

i've asked several shops and pro-rx7 owners, and racers. everyone has said to shift at about 7-7.5k rpm's i usually shifted at 7.5K both drag racing and auto-X. and remember shift with your wrist, not your arm. What ever you though, don't bounce it off the rev limiter which in some TII's is about 8-8.1K or so. I think the 92 had the highest redline of all TII's.

Fastrotaries 10-08-2002 11:46 PM

Launch point will vary drastically on the ground condition. On the trac, with drag radials i launched at 4K sometimes 4.3. On the street though sometimes it was as low as 2.5K (automation in Abilene TX)

2ML2US2 10-28-2002 12:40 PM

You be careful, as the owner of a '89 MX6 GT, I can tell you with proper mods that car is a real sleeper. Stock the car is 180 HP. With exhaust, intake, remapped EMU and beefy injectors it can easily be a 225-240 HP car. At a point in time I was able to dust V8s rather regularly both on the street and the track, and that on street gas! I can offer this advise: they are more effective at a rolling start then they are at the hole shot ; so check this guy out before you lay down your $$$ :smirk:


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