Not once, not twice, but three times the Porsche 911 Turbo goes down. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



It was about 11:30PM. The road was clear and I was on my way home after a night out at our local car gathering which occurs each Saturday here in Scottsdale, Arizona. I was checking temperatures on my new Power FC from SR motorsports. Incredible service by the way. Intake was 51C and coolant was 91C, a bit high as that I just wasted an SS Camero a few minutes earlier after some guy jumped off from a light spinning. He caught me by surprise, it took about half of first gear to real him in and then put a car length on him by the time I hit second. From that point it was embarrassing for him to say the least. Oops, back to the big news. A couple minutes had gone by, I was on my way home and I looked in my rear view to notice some slanted crisp colored headlights. I've gotten pretty good guessing cars by headlights over the years. These had Porsche written all over them. I thought I had an other Boxter on my butt.LOL I was doing about 40 in third. The headlights were approaching quickly. I dropped into second and gave it a little zip of the throttle which rendered a gurgle and pop. The nose of the Porsche pops in my view beside me, then the Porsche became parallel to my FD and the guy looks over. To my surprise I spot the vents all over the sides. It's a new style 911 turbo. I'm ecstatic as that I've been wanting to see how I'd do against one of these. I'm in second at 4500 rpm!, and as most of you know that's the FD sequential turbos favorite rpm point. Beautiful. Instant full boost for me. I knew I'd need it against the 911 turbo's low rpm big torque. We both hit and I instantly pulled a bit ahead on the 911 turbo. I continued through second pulling. I hit third and let off about 80 mph after I was a couple car lengths ahead of him. I couldn't believe it so I slowed rapidly to drop back behind the Porsche. I had to look at the back of the car for the turbo emblem. There it was. The guy then waves to me and we go at it again, but I let him go first to make sure he's on the gas and in the right gear. I slowly cruised by him again.LOL I had to follow this guy and ask if it was the X50 package. We neared our 101 freeway on ramp. Perfect! Another run? Yes! and he gets a head start. I follow him in from behind and he hits it and swings wide to the left lane of the double lane on ramp to the freeway. I walk by him again and continued to pull on him until I hit about 110 mph. He was hanging, but I was pulling. By then I had about 5 car lengths. I slow, he passes and waves with a look on his face that he can't believe it. He then blats ahead and takes the off ramp. I still wanted to ask if he had the X50 package, but he never stopped and I did a U turn. I doubt it was the X50, but man.........that was one kick @SS kill.



my mods are, modified stock air box, M2 down pipe with polished interior and corrected DP flange to turbo exhaust manifold shape, stock main cat with interior welds ground flush to pipe diameter, HKS carbon Ti cat back, Power FC tuned per my mods by SR motorsports at 10psi.

I would have to SAY BULL SHIEET on this one..



Sorry man.. You don't have enough Mods to

run a 911 turbo.



especially with a stock cat on the car.. NO way Jose..



Maybe it was just a regular 911 with turbo stickers on them.

you're over estimating an almost stock fd and underestimating a stock 911Turbo. maybe he just shifts slow

Hard to believe that you took a 911 Turbo at only 10 psi. You'd need at least 15. It was probably a n/a porsche with a body kit or something.

So you were only running 10psi? Is this a stock motor too?

911 turbo's run 12psi..... and the gt1 run 14.something psi...... so yeah...

well that doesent mean much. I can run 5psi on a huge turbo and still push more air then 20 psi on a tennie weenie one.

bobby, he's running stock turbos!!!

Yeah but didn't someone run 11.xxx on stock turbos?



I mean I don't know if this guy's Porsche story is true, but it seems feasible.

yeah..... not at 10lbs though

I was waiting for the flame of disbeliveers.lol https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png It's fine to be sceptical, but I'm also sorry the bulk of you don't believe a good kill from properly running slightly modified FD. My information represents a factual account.



Consider the chance that the particular defeated 911 turbo was an auto with Triptronic, and maybe even had a full tank of gas. I invariably cruise with a 1/4 tank or less. It's not that complicated. I won three times because I had more HP to weight. Personally I can't say if the defeated had a manual or auto, but looking at the numbers I don't think it would have made a difference of the outcome either way.



My car, me and low gas level, about 2900lbs, maybe 280 WP, 10.3 lbs. per HP.



loosing 911 turbo with driver, possible full tank of fuel and auto 3850lbs 330 WP.(As tested by Autothority) 11.6 pounds per HP.



Here's a link about the 911 turbo. The X50 package which I referred to in my previous post is not listed, but it's basically a 450 fly wheel HP upgrade installed on select vehicles by Porsche. It's a 16,000 dollar factory upgrade.



My buddy just got one of the 911 turbo X50s a month or so ago. You may have read my post back then. He's managed to stir up an on freeway punch with a normal 911 turbo. He dropped him quickly. Hopefully after my stock mount upgraded intercooler and water injection he will be my next kill. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png Don't flame me when he goes down. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

It's the original stock motor and twins. The actual car now has 21,000 miles. The car is tight and near new condition. To lend an idea how fresh the motor and turbos might be, I still have the original Bridgestone S01 tires with a good 70% of tread left. The stock wheels and tires came off the car at 19,000 miles when I upgraded to the much needed Bridgestone S02s with wider contact area on the rear.(265s)



I have no boost leaks or vacuum line problems.

Sorry, part of my reply to the question was deleted. Here's a bit more information.



It's the original stock motor and twins. The actual car now has 21,000 miles. The car is tight and near new condition. To lend an idea how fresh the motor and turbos might be, I still have the original Bridgestone S01 tires with a good 70% of tread left. The stock wheels and tires came off the car at 19,000 miles when I upgraded to the much needed Bridgestone S02s with wider contact area on the rear.(265s)



I have no boost leaks or vacuum line problems and the boost at manifold reads a solid 10 psi. I don't think my car is all that quick, but I do believe I've made a difference with some work that I've done beyond just bolting on parts. I would expect my car's exhaust and intake flows with significantly less dran and restriction, when compared to your basic bolts on of an M2 DP and cat back with stock air box. My stock air box has not been cut in the bottom to allow more air openings as some do, but has had the intake connection points sealed with fabricated foam gaskets to reduce pressure loss generated from forced air from nose of the car. I also eliminated the small restrictive interior dimension rubber gasket that connects the duct to the air box. I constructed a different gasket which surrounds the outside dimension. The vents that pass through to the battery and AC component have been sealed. The faster the car goes the less the turbos need to pull by themselves. The M2 DP comes with a flange which bolts to the turbo exhaust port which is completely off. Just bolting it on will cause blockage of exhaust flow. I matched the flange shape by grinding to the shape of the turbo exhaust manifold. I then polished the interior of the DP about 8 inches down, and particularly so at the fist bend were drag would be greatest. The stock main cat has interior welds with reduce the interior diameter of the pipe significantly. I ground these near flush at both the DP to cat connection point as well as the cat to cat back connection point.



I don't think any of this stuff is anything new, but that's about what I've got going on and it was enough to defeat the 911 turbo repeatedly.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, street races that don't involve money are inconclusive. If I were in the 911 turbo I would let you win all night long then next time I see your FD on the road I'd ask if you wanna race for $1k. After the big head you got from the last time it's a sure thing. Street racing is hustling.



So, though it may be possible for you to beat him in a real heads up race, I don't think what you experienced has proved that.



The only time IMO when it's halfway reliable is when you're racing a close friend and you know he isnt going to bullshit you.



In any case, nice car, it's not often you see a FD with so few original miles. Must be alot of fun https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

It was not a body kit. The driver was not street hustling. It was a 911 turbo Porsche. It lost three times to my FD.

Good kills man post pics of your FD.

There's a picture in this Kill thread. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png https://www.nopistons.com/forums/index.php?...29&hl=schroeder

His car is beautiful, great shape. I was at the same car show.



And Greg, I talked to the other FD guy and he said he was misshifting to 5th because of a new shortshifter and for some reason was running like .62 BAR instead of .80 or something like that. Too bad :\



Probably the same as I told you about the one high power FD, took solid tranny and engine mounts, torque brace and sequential shifter to not misshift. That guys on this forum btw.



Later,

Ben Martin

Greg



I am not tring to Flame you..



BUT.. Either that guy in the PORSHE was a Real Vagina

and can't drive, or you making this up..



There is NO way.



OK you got PFC, Downpipe and Catback...



DUDE NO way you could run a New 911 turbo with a

competent driver...



I tel you what go to the Track and lets see some TIMES....



I say you run Low 14s maybe high 13's low 13's if you lucky..



Come on man, 911 turbos are running 12's out the gate(showroom)



you running 10psi with dp and catback. NO way.. JOSE..

You don't even have a INTERCOOLER... come on man



I believe you maybe won the race or so called race..

Then its obvious the guy driving hte 911 was probably

80 and senial.

okay listen a 911 turbo stock runs a 12.4 sec 1/4 mile and has a top speed of 195mph, and it gets there QUICK. he wasn't trying, plain and simple. i am sure your car is quick, and with your mods probably running a high 12, but highway racing he would kill you because there is no way in hell you are pulling from 60-120 faster than him. i'm not flaming i'm just saying that the #'s don't add up.

I didn't want to bring up the other giant turbo, front mount IC, full exhaust, 1600cc secondary, PFC, FD I raced three times that same night because I figured I would be tortured here worse about that series of races than I have about the 911 turbo. I realize with all of the mods of the other car, when dialed in, it would beat my car. We did race three times from about 55mph or 60mph. I'm assuming he was able to select the starting gear, but may have missed third for all three races. I pulled from the punch and before the shift either way.



The other guy was very nice and pleasant to talk with previous to the three races. Perhaps next time I will get my butt kicked.



That same night I also followed out three 750ish HP Supras and a new Viper. The Supras kicked my butt as well as the new Viper.

No offence taken. My information is accurate and the account of the race is accurate.



The 911 turbo lost three times. The times you offer about the 911 turbo are from magazines, with cars suplied by Porsche, with most often a Porsche factory driver, and represent near optimum driving conditions. Also, if you were to take the time to read the data in the Porsche link I provided, you would see the regular 911 turbo with auto(triptronic) only does a 4.9 second 0-60, and that's according to Porsche. That's the same time as what Mazda offered for the FD stock in 1993. If you look closer at the Porsche site you would also see the weight per HP is to the advantage of my slightly modified FD over even the regular 911 turbo with even the manual. Do the math.



The X50 package for the 911 turbo is 450HP instead of 420HP. That's fly wheel HP. Take time to review the regular 911 turbo information from Autothority for wheel HP data. I posted the link in one of my previous posts. The regular 911 turbo is putting down 330HP. If a slightly modified FD loose to a Porsche 911 turbo it probably isn't running right.



The guy I raced was in his mid 30s and was racing. It was obvious by the waving, and general body language.



The track is not the best tool for determining rolling punch information of who might win a street race. There's huge variation relative to 60ft times at the track. I have been to the track however, as well as use my gtech meter. Stock FDs that run correctly with cool intake temps run about 13.9 at 101mph with an average launch and good shifts. If yours doesn't it probably doesn't run right or you're loosing time somewhere. Slightly modified FDs are capable of high to mid 12s.



As I stated in my pervious post above, my friend has a 911 turbo with X 50 package. That's the 450HP Porsche upgrade. We tested it using my same gtech meter that reads, under good driving conditions, mid 12 1/4s and 4.2 second 0-60s for me. The Porsche didn't break a 13 second 1/4 and its best 0-60 of two runs was 5.18 on a very hot day with the two of us in the car. (poor testing conditions) My friend races Formula Mazda for kicks, so I'm assuming he is able to drive.



My name isn't Jose. LOL https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

I believe you man , after all that explaining.

i bet it was a carrera 4s..........same body mods as the turbo minus the wing. be capable of a mid 13 sec pass and carrying all that AWD equipment down the interstate



oh and a new 911 is quicker to 100 than a viper that you lost too



sorry man, i dont mean to rain on your parade but i have a dp and the same cat back and i know im not gonna stand a chance against something as big and bad as a 911 turbo https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683894.gif

haha this **** is funny

I don't recall saying I lost to a new Viper. I do recal posting that a new Viper was dropped by 750HP Supras just like I was while driving on the freeway. I did cruise beside this new Viper and punched it from about 60mph while all the freeway punch activity was going on. I'm not sure if he was racing, but he didn't pull ahead of me. Maybe he was breaking in his new engine.



No, the 911 turbo is not faster to 100 mph than a Viper. A Porsche manufacture supplied 911 turbo with X50 upgrade package, driven by a professional driver with 5000 rpm clutch dump for a Road and Track magazine article was. The regular 911 turbo is slower than the new Viper as well as being slower than the 911 turbo X50. The regular 911 turbo with auto(triptronic) is heavier and slower yet.



The car I raced three times was a 911 turbo with the hole in the upper rear fenders in addition to the lower vents behind the rear wheels. The 911 S4 does not have the upper hole, but does have the lower rear vents. I have no idea if the car I raced was the X50, if it was manual, or if it was triptronic. It was a 911 turbo.

I say just one thing... I love it when someone tells me a car same as mine can take a Porsche.... Oh by the way i have the Bathurst edition... Named because it took the Porsche at the track in Australia... That too for three years i think... if my information is not wrong.... please don't flame me... i mean i might be wrong... i don't even know if the Porsches the FD raced at BATHURST were turbo or not....



But i have seen amazing things happening...

It still amazes me, that people see a certain car in a magazine, run really good number's, and assume it's %100 the car. Sure, ANY Porsche turbo is fast, even with a poor driver, but don't expect to run magazine quoted number's.



Without proof, there will alway's be people who will question you. If you did beat a 996turbo, good job. If you didn't, I could care less.