I realize i may get flamed for this, and be on the black list of nopistons.com



BUT... WHY THE **** IS THERE A DRIFT FORUM HERE?



Drifting is not racing. Drifting around a corner is slower then taking the correct apex/line and having grip.



This is not world rally racing where you drift the car into the corner because you are not aware of the true properties of the corner. It allows you to slow your speed down quickly enough so you don't go off the cliff when the turn tightens and u think oh ****.



Grip = speed.



Grip is defined by frictional force, where the coeffecient for kinetic friction is less then the coefficient for static friction.



That is why you stop faster when you don't lock your wheels when you brake.





ok i'm done venting.



btw i think drifting is bad business for autox. In most cases autox uses the same parking lot. Business people usually do not understand motorsports. THey can not distinguish between drifiting event and autox event.



They just think... those fuckers (drift event) messed up my lot. Autox organizer calls, hey can we rent your lot again this year? Business guy goes (isn't autox with cars going fast?), **** that no more lot for you this year. GO **** yourself!



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Have you ever seen a drifting competition? If you have, and you still wonder why, than you are entitled to your oppinion. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

oh ive never read that book before

drifting is about car control, if you can't understand that you need to broaden your horizons a bit.



Loi

oh..what book is that tony???

While it may be about car control i still have a problem with how you win at drifting. It's not how fast you go or finish, but it's about how you look and you get judged. It's like ice skating with cars...



And from a road racing standpoint while it may be fun as something different i fail to see how you can compete as a drifter. Drifting may be about car control but autox and road racing are about so much more.

oh..what book is that tony??? [/quote]

"Things losers say" https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

It is a sort of time attack...if you can finish the quickest while lookin good, +++pts

i don't know too many people that drift to "win". most of the drifters i know do it to get better, i haven't seen anyone that'd cut it on the D1 circuit outside of the guys at nopi. there are actual ways to determine winners in a drift competition, it was either car and driver or road and track that did a drift off or something like that. they installed two gps sensors at opposite ends of the car and datalogged both. by comparing both signals they came up with drift angles and about how long the drivers vould hold them for. i think that would be the only truly subjective way to "measure" a drift competition. drifting is still young in this country, it'll take atleast a few years for high quality drifters and a sanctioning body to emerge.



Loi

To answer the latter, I really think, heck....KNOW...that most "drifters" KNOW that what they are doing is in fact "slower" than simply driving through it like they should....but they are not doing it to be "faster"...get it?



It still takes a lot of skill to do, fun to watch, bet its fun to DO, and because of those three reasons, it has attracted much attention....hence the forum!



I will note that it does seem to take a lot of risk to master, so...like motorcycles...I think I'll pass on it. Maybe on a wide open track given the few times i get the chance.





And I think that answers your initial question written in caps https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

Cheers there are 2 kinds of drifters. The kiddies your used to over at team that are hell bent on fighting with everyone over it. I saw that fucked up thread they posted taunting MikeL. That is rude and I can understand when idiots like that do stuff like that why you would hate the sport.



And there are those like the drifters here that actually do it and like to tlak about their adventures.



Face it. Drifting is a Motorsport. Racer magazine and Sportcar magazine both have articles on it . The SCCA is ready to sanction it. Its here to stay.



I wasn't to keen on it but its growing on me. Gonna give it a try someday.



Give it a chance. If you think about it Rally racing employs a lot of drifting skills.

this argue ment was soooooooooo last year https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif just messing with ya



I'm w/ jims it's here to stay so if you don't like it, Just do like I do to nascar and DON'T WATCH IT!!! No one is forcing anyone to like it, but regardless it is very impressive, especially to see in real life, or to be in a car that is drifting. Much more exciting than a 1/4 mile run, and everyone seems to be addicted to that.



But that's my opinion

Perhaps I should just keep my mouth closed here, but I can't help it. Anybody can drive in a straight line. Fewer can tightly maneuver their vehicle at medium speeds, such as in autocross. And very very few can develop the skill to so concisely control their car by drifting. That is why people are so fascinated with drift.



I suppose that is just my opinion on drift. What I should be replying to is your question. There is a drift forum here because people are interested. People enjoy talking about it...



If you'll politely scroll to the top of your page, please notice that it reads "Nopistons.com Rotary Powered Forum." Where is the racing? That's right, it's not there. Funny thing, this is a rotary site, and not a racing site. You don't seem to be complaining about the "Other Cars" forum, or the X-Rated forum... Neither of those forums is even related to rotary engines...

IMO road racing is harder than drifting.

If there is something to discuss about a topic, why not have a forum for it? They have jeep forums where they talk about offroading and stuff, thats not my thing, i don't get it at all, but hell if they want to talk about it then more power to them.

SLIDE OR DIE!!!! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

Road Racing=speed skating

Drifting= figure skating

OMG! Great analogy!!



I like road racing just like speed skating and drifting like figure skating. Figure skating has the hottest chicks ever and the moves are beautiful. No real point. Road racing is pure speed, its functional has a point like speed skating...the cars look cool and stuff, but they are fixed to running the course as it is...

I can't understand this ridiculous, pithy complaint.



I already know coming into a tight corner w/my FC that it's slower to drift it than it is to apex it. Point is, I don't care. Drifting looks awesome, takes a HELL of a lot of talent to do, shreds tires, etc etc blah blah blah.



But, as many have pointed out there are many users here that like to drift, know what they're doing, and would like to discuss it.



And then there are people like you who talk like they know it all, and that the rest of us have the intellect of 4 year olds.



"Drifting is not racing" - who said that NoPistons was a race only forum?



"Drifting around a corner is slower then taking the correct apex/line and having grip." My, you've enlightened me so much, I think I'll convert to Grip driving!! Thank you, Mr. Race God, for implanting knowledge into my head that was already there long before you opened your mouth! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683894.gif



Get real. Every driver has a preferred style that they're comfortable with. Let the grip racers drive the way they want, let us drift riders drive the way WE want to, and quit your bitching. You look like an ass.



And, for the record......



I've found myself able to take turns a bit quicker using drifts. But that's just me. My brain isn't as advanced as yours. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/*******.gif

drifting is friggin hard.........anyone who says otherwise is an idiot!

isnt drifting rlly hard and stressful on your car?

Well I have done both on our local circuit, and have had just as much fun doing either! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

A drifting mistake won me a club trophy too: 'Longest distance travelled sideways across the infield award'. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/wacko.png



I took my boy to see top fuel doorslammers last weekend, even though drags are near the bottom of my motorsport list, and ended up having an interesting conversation with the driver of a 6 second nitro altered. Those guys are certifiably insane!



Each to their own, it's all fun! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

tonya harding!

i iddn't say drifting was easy... nor did i make a comment it was hard... I never implied drifting was either or... i ahve not stated my opinion with regards to it's level of difficulty

it is a motorsport think of it as much more fun autox https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

i didnt read anything because im pretty sure this has been argued about 4000 times



i will say..... people who make fun of drifting do that because they cannot drift....



another thing....if drifting isnt a sport....then drag racing, autox, circuit racing, rally racing, etc. are NOT sports as well



cheers that was just a dumb post

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683473.gif FreeStyleFC3S: you rock.



Boy, I'd hate to see the previous drifting arguments....

ok so then what youre saying is anything not racing related shouldnt be on the forum?



A) dumbass for saying that

B) dumbass for thinking drifting is the antichrist.



kevin.

Fn = uFf



u = coefficient of friction.

Fn = natural force

Ff = frictional force



also note that Fn = Fg



which goes into the formula F(sum of forces) = mass x acceleration



So in other words Uk < Us = drift

The forum was added because it was suggested and several people wanted it.



It's gets more use then some sections we keep around, so I don't see it as an issue.



You may also notice, it isn't under motorsports.

How about a mod deletes this thread and we pretend it didn't happen?



Cheers.. in the future go over to Teamfc3s and fight the good fight of the drifter wars. I really dont want to see it start up here.



4R's dog threads are enough. ******* Dogs.....

I think this topic has been pretty well hashed out by now, but I'll throw in my 2 cents:



If members have an interest in drifting, then there should be a forum.



'Nuff said. Hard to imagine nopistons becoming some sort of elitist bunch of snobs. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif

tHE PROBLEM IS education!!!!!!!!



A bunch of "kids" racing around a empty parking lot at 12 AM calling it drifting, when they are busted. Is causing an image problem with the parking lot. The kiddies on the Team forum are a prime example of this mentality.



The other problem is people thinking they can show up at a sanctioned AUTO-X and go "drifting".



IF YOU WANT TO DRIFT SO BAD. Do the responsible thing.



1. Rent a lot

2. Secure liablity insurance to protect the property owners and spectators

3. Invite the media to educate them

4. Conduct yourselves accordinly in the pits and the streets.



Until you do that....DON'T BITCH.. and stay the F%@% away from AUTO-X events. We do not want/desire a bunch of "drifters" there. Go find your own parking lot!!!

That's what we do...and we keep the street drifting to an absolute minimum.

you are part of the problem by "drifting" on the streets. YOU ARE THE REASON THE MENTION OF THE WORD DRIFTING CONJURS IMAGES OF STUPID KIDS OUT OF CONTROL!!!

The hardest part is getting the water to come in the window and soak the passenger.

And your problem is your close-mindedness. Do us all a favor and quit acting like a ******* elitist.



Another thing. Quit categorizing drivers inside quotes. You sound like an elitist ****. "YOU" "DRIFTERS" stay away from "US" "AUTOXers". Grow up. Don't peg an entire group for what a few morons might have done to you.



For the record, not everybody who can pull a drift sits there in a parking lot to impress some kids. I sure as **** don't. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/*******.gif



And most of us do just like you recommended, "finding our own ******* lot and staying the **** out of your areas."And we also keep street drifting to a minimum(well, the more responsible lot).





"YOU ARE THE REASON...."...oh come off your ******* high-horse.

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And it's people like you that are the reason why most racing communities are so one-sided.

Yuki, can you read? No, seriously, do you have any idea what Banzai actually said, or did you just pick him to bitch at to try and make some retard n00b points by bashing a senior member?



He's saying keep the drifting to drift events and the AutoX to AutoX events and keep it all off of the god damn street. You don't seem to disagree with that, but you're calling him an elitist because he's seperating the two genres of motorsports.

Unique TII: My bad, seriously, just delete that post. Bad day, bad weekend.....check out the kills section for the reason. Sorry to go off.



>_< wtf. I need a beer.