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defprun 03-28-2004 09:01 PM

Than regular gasoline being slower burning and therefore better for a N/A application is a myth?

Cheers! 03-28-2004 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by defprun' date='Mar 28 2004, 10:01 PM
Than regular gasoline being slower burning and therefore better for a N/A application is a myth?

NO, lower octane = faster burn. THe flame will propogate quciker through the combustion chamber with lower octane levels.

defprun 03-28-2004 09:11 PM

Well that settles that!

rmaiersg 03-28-2004 09:12 PM

Gas is made of hydrocarbons. These come in different sizes and have different names based on the number of carbon atoms in the string. You've got pentane with 5 C atoms, hexane with 6 atoms, heptanes w/ seven, octane 8, etc. Hexane is the most prevalant hydrocarbon in gas. Back in the day the octane rating literally meant how much octane was in the gas.



Octane needs a higher temperature to ignite than hexane which is a good thing if you have an engine that has conditions that would be more prone to detonation. People got smart and started to use additives, i.e. lead, to raise the temp required to ignite the fuel. Consequently, the gas that you buy at your local shell or citgo is all the same. The only difference is the additives mixed with the fuel so they all basically burn nearly equally efficient but your premium need higher temps to burn than your regular fuel. You don't get more power out of any given sort just a different ign. temp.



Of course, engines are designed for different applications, therefore, some run better with a fuel that burns at a lower temp. and some better with one that burns at a higher temp. This is my take on octane.

rmaiersg 03-28-2004 09:18 PM


I think mike is just screwing with us. HE KNOWS!


That's what I would have figured. hmmmm...

BigTurbo74 03-28-2004 09:49 PM

SOMEBODY PIN THIS! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif



damn mikey is good, https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683894.gif

75 Repu 03-28-2004 10:47 PM

it go BOOM!!

j9fd3s 03-28-2004 11:16 PM

well i dont claim to be right, but this is what we were talking about this afternoon.



all things being equal you want max cylinder pressure at around 20-35* degrees atdc, on the power stroke. this is where the crank has the most leverage on the crank.



with either low or high octane you can get this by adjusting the timing, in our theory. if we can adjust the timing, then burn speed is irrelevent, because we can set the timing to account for it.



higher octane, means the mixture wont detonate as easily, or it can absorb more heat before it explodes (detonates). it also may contain more btus



so higher octane give more power because it has more btu's.

mazdadrifter 03-29-2004 06:13 AM

I talked to a guy from speedsource and he was telling me that after hundreds of dyno time tuning the new rx8's that they had only found 1 fuel, that cost 16 dollars a gallon, that made more power than 87 octane grandma pump gas. If that tells you anything.

Travis R 03-29-2004 01:43 PM

But burn speed is *not* irrelevent because it has the same speed regardless of engine speed. So that means at higher RPM there is less time for the charge to reach max expansion, so you need to ignite it sooner. timing = important https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png


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