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WishIhadaRX7 03-01-2004 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by boxrs4sale' date='Mar 1 2004, 05:05 PM
and underneath your avatar it says "wanna get high"... hmmm... use your brain for once.. hahaha.. loser

You never get drunk? or take any drugs?



Are you implying that someone who smokes is guranteed to be a dumb ass loser?



I'm running my own business this summer, what are you doing?

FrestyleFC3S 03-01-2004 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by WishIhadaRX7' date='Mar 1 2004, 04:09 PM
You never get drunk? or take any drugs?



Are you implying that someone who smokes is guranteed to be a dumb ass loser?



I'm running my own business this summer, what are you doing?

BOXRS!!!!! you are always drunk!!! ******* idiot!!~!!!!





plus his avatar is from south park

WishIhadaRX7 03-01-2004 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by FrestyleFC3S' date='Mar 1 2004, 05:21 PM
BOXRS!!!!! you are always drunk!!! ******* idiot!!~!!!!

LOL, I was wondering why he didn't reply right after he read it.




plus his avatar is from south park
Shhhh, I wasn't going to say anything.

Rotorboy317 03-01-2004 03:40 PM

Can someone say "chill?"



I can!



Arguing over the internet doesnt get anything done. Arguing period doesnt really get anything done. Maybe instead of trying to prove a point with logic, scientific evidence and how big your balls are, you could pray for them. I heard someone one this forum say something about wanting extraordinary, everyday proof that God exists. I'll be praying for that, and that if you see some really crazy stuff you'll be open to where it might have come from.



Back to the topic at hand: I liked the movie. Way graphic, but thats how it was supposed to be. Very well made IMO.



Back to being an observer! Woot!

-Dave

defprun 03-01-2004 03:45 PM

I love when someone knows they are losing, or just plainly gives up when they resort to making fun of someone's avatar or they start making personal attacks against that person.



And they are trying to prove they know better?

PhoenixDownVII 03-01-2004 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by Rotorboy317' date='Mar 1 2004, 05:40 PM
Arguing over the internet doesnt get anything done. Arguing period doesnt really get anything done. Maybe instead of trying to prove a point with logic, scientific evidence and how big your balls are, you could pray for them.

This is true. I don't "Evangelize" on the internet. I even somewhat contradict myself when I keep re-iterating that you should find God on your own terms, and ask and you shall find....yet I keep commenting on other beliefs and correcting the lies of christianity.



In all, I'll simply pray you all someday see His face, feel his presence, and understand His Glory. The whole matter of fact that God is Undescribable, merits that I can only point you in His direction and could never explain correctly the intensity he has been in my life.



InAnimate Object:



I really hope you don't reject God or don't bother seeking Him because of those supposed Bible contradictions. For one thing, God is not the Bible. He is an individual, alpha and omega,...seek His face first...then you might understand what was written culturally, why the law is no longer bound yet still exists to us..and whatnot. And also, those contradictions have already been settled and easily explained on several acct.s. Look up "MacArthur" bible study. They are a comprehensive group of scholars that researched the language the Bible was written in, and try to have an optomistic viewpoint on how to Interpret the whole thing...very cool study.



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RX7Aggie 03-01-2004 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by WishIhadaRX7' date='Mar 1 2004, 11:06 AM
Are you implying that no other religion besides Christianity have anything to offer? Because if that is what you are implying I think you are a very ignorant human being.

yes i am. after all, what's the point of following a religion that has no future? our mortal lives are but a blink of an eye in comparision to eternity. true, morality and "good lives" might come from buddism (not likely, since the premiss that religion is understanding suffering), or hiduism, etc, but each of those faiths still involves a life of suffering. christianity offers an end to the suffering with eternal life of joy and happiness at the end.




You don't think that maybe God did speak to all the religious leaders, and the men in their weakness distorted His TRUTH to get greater personal gain?


you dont think the God of creation has the power to ensure that what he tell a human is properly recorded as truth for the rest of the world to read / hear / see?




When you look at different religions, most are very similar in their beliefs on how to live life, the main differences are the players, and that they all say that they are the ONLY TRUTH, and all others are made up by the devil or some other evil character to lure you away from the real TRUTH. Convenient if you ask me.


possibly because most center around the truth of God, only yes, like you said, were distorted by humans, through intervention of possibly the devil.




It's simple really, there are only 2 ways to gain followers in your religion: 1.Conversion, and 2.Births So really, how surprising is that the most successful religion to date practices these two strategies zealously.


what's your point? that evangelism works? christians aren't taking a gun to people's heads. they chose because they want a better life, one that Christianty offers because of what Jesus did for us.




Well some people are supporting, others are crticizing. I read an article the other day that showed evidence of hemp oils and halucinegenic mushrooms were used during Jesus' famous "walk on water" miracle. In addition to this it was found that the high priests would often fast for days and take drugs during which times they would have "visions" of God.


links? intelligent design is a topic that has been widely discussed by intellectuals across the country at colleges, universities and other forums, from professors of engineering to biology to physics. i've not heard of people preaching about mushrooms and walking on water, except druggies in high school.




Many, many more scientists beleive in evolution. The small percentage that beleives in Intelligent Design have no real basis for this beleif other than the fact that "evolution seems an IMPROBABLE answer."


science has yet to produce a protein molecule from a bunch of random chemicals and lightening. and a protein molecule is still nothing comparied to an organized cellular bacteria. that evolution is next to impossible.



i believe in natural selection, where new species of dogs, birds, and cats etc form. i dont think i came from an ape, and i dont think a dog turned into a dolphin. all those "little" changes, the in between stages would only hinder a species, not help it to survive. only the finished product is better, not the in between stages.




Steven Hawking never made any mention that God created this world, and ummm everything has an end.....


i've read hawking's entire book, and yes he did state that the universe began as one singularity, and was put into such a delicate motion where if it expanded too fast, we would have no planets, stars, or moons. if it expanded too slow, it would collapse back on itself and the universe would not exist. he directly stated that he believed God created the universe, although it was a God that was not personal and that he would never know.



hawking also visited our campus last year, and several other professors gave a talk about hawking. for more info, go to this page and read the article titled "steven hawking, the big bang, and God"



http://www.westminsterhall.us/hfs3/index.html




I change my view on life all the time. People bring up good points and force me to rethink what I beleive.


as do i. all this information i have gathered was because i had questions and doubts, and sought to find the answeres. i love debating issues such as this, i learn many new things and my faith grows. my views have changed because of others around me.




It's funny that religion is the only area in a persons life where you blindly accpet things that are spoon fed you without even questioning them.


no. my freshman and sophmore years here at A&M, i had to totally rethink what i had learned. i feverously sought answeres, and for a large period doubted Christ. but after months of seeking and prayer, i realized that Christiany is the only plausible answere to our human lives.



honestly, i have my doubts and questions. but that makes us human. i believe God is real, i can see Him all around. everytime I go outside, i see His creation and smile in amazement. i feel that a God that created this world, did it for a reason. i feel he does communicate with us, and want a relationship with His creation. i believe that communication medium is Jesus Christ.



no other religion offers a sound explaination of the afterlife. in christianty, it is simple: you either believe or you dont. in other faiths, it's works based, where if you do wrong, you will be punished accordingly. the questoin is: where do you draw the line. muder? lust? rape? how many times?



christianty offer forginess, few other religions do. i dont want karma, i dont want confessions, i want relationship and christ.



i close with a verse that inpacted me in my doubt:



"Jesus said to him, 'If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.' Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, 'Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!'" - Mark 9: 23-24

boxrs4sale 03-01-2004 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by WishIhadaRX7' date='Mar 1 2004, 01:09 PM
You never get drunk? or take any drugs?



Are you implying that someone who smokes is guranteed to be a dumb ass loser?



I'm running my own business this summer, what are you doing?

i do drink. yes. i was at class. sorry for the late response.



as for drugs, no i have never experimented with anything other than alcohol.



you said use your brain for once.. well, smoking pot isn't using your brain for other reasons besides the simple fact that it is illegal.



and i had two of my own businesses last summer when i couldn't work because i was taking several summer classes here at ud. i made a lot of money, worked only 3 days a week because of my schedule and made more than any full time job could have paid me. if you need any pointers let me know.... by the end of the summer i had more business than i could handle, with enough resources to hire someone as an assistant. not bad for putting only 3 months into a business.





lets keep this thread on tract. sorry i deviated from it earlier.

Apollorx7 03-02-2004 01:23 AM


Jesus hated religion, which is what the pharsies and religious leaders were into and why they killed him.



the jews did not kill jesus, the religious leaders, who saw jesus as a threat to their organized religion, insited mob rule and killed him.




Well If I rember correctly the Jewish faith focus's on God and no other manifestations of him. But the Christians believe in " the father, the son, and the holy spirit". So Jesus walking around saying that he was the son of God and he does his fathers will. I would think that would have aggrivated those that believe in the Jewish faith.




what's your point? that evangelism works? christians aren't taking a gun to people's heads.


You might want to retract this statement. The crusades, the spanish conquistadors in South America, those are two examples of killing with religion as on of, or the main excuse.




evolution is next to impossible.


The Earth is over 6 billion years old. In about 5000 years we became the dominant species of the earth, we can fly almost anywhere in the world, we have walked on the moon, and have created weapons that can kill hundreds of thousands of people in seconds. And all of this happened in about 5000 years. We as a species have grown physicly larger and smarter then our predesessors. Now if we can do all that in 5000 years what can nature do in the other 5,999,995,000 years.





[QUOTE]no other religion offers a sound explaination of the afterlife. in christianty, it is simple: you either believe or you dont. in other faiths, it's works based, where if you do wrong, you will be punished accordingly. the questoin is: where do you draw the line. muder? lust? rape? how many times?




Either hinduism or budism (Im not sure wich it, could be both) say that when a person dies they are reincarnated based on how they act in their life. If a person is good, and just and fair, then they are reincarnated into a better being, and if they stay faithful through out all their mortal lives they go to paradise with their gods. To me that sounds as sound good as christians explination of the after life.





i try not to judge people because even jesus said "i did not come to this world to judge it, i came to save it". i believe in a universal truth, that a perfect and holy God created this world and it's inhabitants with a free will to choose to accept him or not. in that decision sin errupted, and a sarifice for that sin had to be made. that sacrifice was jesus christ, God's Son. [QUOTE]




chrisitiany says it is the only way to God and the only way to Heaven, stating that other religions are wrong.


That sounds like judgement right there. Deciding and openly saying that other religons are wrong and "nonbelievers" need to seek the "truth".



The reason that I dont believe in the god of the christiens/catholices is because so many previous religons have exsisted and are now gone and so many others do exist right now. And every religion has required its followers to take a blind leap of faith. Right now I would rather stand safely on a ledge rather than to jump into the unknown. So what if the bible gives an accurant accout of history, that is good for history, if God was willing to help people in such obvious ways as parting the sea, or walking on water, or curing blindness then why cant it be done now? If he modeled humans after himself then he should know that we as a species need an obvious sign that cant be disproven to believe in his existence.



No matter what anybody says religion lasts as long as the people that believe in it. And that is the most convincing proof that i found. In a thousand or two thousand years ours desendents could worship a three headed monkey that can fly and shoot lightning out of it's ass, and we will be looked down upon and we will sound foolish for worshiping one supreme god just like we look back on the greeks and sumariens, and egyptians for worshiping their gods.

Pyrrian 03-02-2004 01:37 AM


Originally Posted by RX7Aggie' date='Mar 1 2004, 03:29 PM
yes i am. after all, what's the point of following a religion that has no future? our mortal lives are but a blink of an eye in comparision to eternity. true, morality and "good lives" might come from buddism (not likely, since the premiss that religion is understanding suffering), or hiduism, etc, but each of those faiths still involves a life of suffering. christianity offers an end to the suffering with eternal life of joy and happiness at the end.

I think you should stick to Christianity, because your ability to understand other religions is quite lacking. I don't understand how anyone can try to say Buddhism doesn't have a future. Have you missed the entire concept of Nirvana? I really don't know much about the Hindu religion, but I assume it has a "future" at least as fleshed out as that of Christianity. I mean, I had some sort of respect for your opinion until you made such a blatantly wrong statement.


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