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okay the other day my friend was racing a silver mazda in his black 95 corvette down I-55 in Evergreen Alabama around the 88 mile marker they where whipping between traffic around an estimated 150mph he lost control and and hit he guard rail and flipped and rolled it 3 times it ripped the roof off and the car caught fire someone pulled him out before the car exploded he now has brain dmage and a collapsed lungs and is currently in a coma. The person who was driving the silver mazda fled the scene. I assume that this car was most likely an rx7 or rx8 cansidering the ability to handle in the traffic and still attain speeds around 150 I want to know who this person is if anyone has any information please contact me or the alabama state bureau of investigation.
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really smart
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I live in Bama but haven't heard anything about this.
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Also, could've been a Mazdaspeed 6.
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Sorry to hear about your friend. I hope he gets back on his feet and damage is minimal. But why are you interested in the other car?
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Originally Posted by Signal 2' post='842265' date='Oct 24 2006, 06:38 AM
Sorry to hear about your friend. I hope he gets back on his feet and damage is minimal. But why are you interested in the other car? Prolly wants to give him mad props for bein' so fast, yo! |
so let me get this straight....you want to get the other car cause your friend crashed...BUT he was also racing at 150?....maybe this is just a good lesson to learn?
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That sux.
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Yeah, unless the other guy ran your friend off the road or shot at him, I don't see much coming from it.
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Yup both your buddy and the guy in the silver mazda breaking the law and acting very stupidly..racing at that speed in traffic.. At 3am with noone else on the road is still not the best idea but with traffic..wow! I don't see anything comming from your request unless said drive ran friend off the road or injured another driver..both knew the possible outcome of acting that foolishly in traffic.
On the other hand I hope your friend will recover and is not too effected by his accident. Hope his family is holding up well. |
Im sorry to hear about your friend, But you cant go after the other guy your friend was at fault also for driving so darn fast. I dont think it will get anywhere... This is why you need to keep the real speed off the streets and onto a track. not trying to bag on your friend im just saying this is a great case proving just that.
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Originally Posted by black93fd' post='842223' date='Oct 23 2006, 02:50 PM
The person who was driving the silver mazda fled the scene. I assume that this car was most likely an rx7 or rx8.... What I don't understand is why this is on this part of the forum.. Second, you know its a Mazda but don't know if its a 7 or 8?? I would think thats easier to tell than if the car was Mazda or not. |
okay guys first of all I'm not trying to hurt him an anyway shape or form Im looking for information because yes my friend got messed up and yes going that fast on public roads was a bad idea but if he lives through this then he will pay for it. my problem is that he is doing it alone. I don't want to hurt this guy and if anyone does not believe me they are being completely reasonable you don't know me and God knows I have a motive to do so. If anyone does know who this is and feels more comfortable giving this information to the alabama state bureau of investigation I urge you to do it. either way I want this guy to get what he LEGALLY deserves. and for everyone who wished him the best I thank you, his family also thanks you and so do the other men at his base in Pennsacola FL.
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Don't take what i say in wrong way...
I understand your friend's pain and his misfortune. But What I can't see is you coming here and saying the other person was driving a MAZDA and its either 7 or 8 because it could go 150MPH weaving in and out of traffic. 7 has a very unique look and I could spot it several 100 yards away.. And I would also say the 8 has a very unique look and could be spotted farely well. By your story, this is what i could assume.. Your friend saw 7/8 and decided to follow him.. you friend couldn't catch him and he lost control of his car. In any situation, I don't think this Madza owner did anything wrong except for so called excessive speeding (but didn't get caught.. which I say I speed but until I get caught, I wouldn't be prosecuted for my previous speeding) and I don't think he fled the scene as you call it. I hate to say this, but unless the Mazda 7/8 owners made contact with your friend, he is at no way at fault of your friends misfortune. If your friend especially tried to follow this, 7/8, its 100% your friends fault for his misfortune... Unless you come back with some technical FD related post, I'm going to lock this thread. Once again, sorry about your friends misfortune and hope he recover from this... |
whoa Pensacola?? as in Pensacola NAS?? I was stationed at Corey Station when I was attached to the 344th MI with the Army... Thats pretty cool, not for his injurys but that he was were I was...
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So basically you want to find this guy so he can what get a speeding ticket and/or racing ticket?? Thats pretty much all he did wrong.
Thats like saying I should confess to the state that I was speeding on my way to work this morning and ask for a ticket. From what you are telling us the guy did nothing wrong but SPEED, and you just want him to get a ticket. If your friend survives this is he going to get a ticket for speeding/racing/wreckless driving?? I hope your friend gets better and I may sound harsh(sorry), but pretty much looking for this guy is stupid. |
Originally Posted by SPICcnmGT' post='842703' date='Oct 27 2006, 05:24 AM
So basically you want to find this guy so he can what get a speeding ticket and/or racing ticket?? Thats pretty much all he did wrong. Thats like saying I should confess to the state that I was speeding on my way to work this morning and ask for a ticket. From what you are telling us the guy did nothing wrong but SPEED, and you just want him to get a ticket. If your friend survives this is he going to get a ticket for speeding/racing/wreckless driving?? I hope your friend gets better and I may sound harsh(sorry), but pretty much looking for this guy is stupid. I think you are right on the money https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683473.gif |
Originally Posted by herblenny' post='842695' date='Oct 27 2006, 06:27 AM
.....Unless you come back with some technical FD related post, I'm going to lock this thread.........
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Originally Posted by herblenny' post='842695' date='Oct 27 2006, 04:27 AM
Don't take what i say in wrong way... I understand your friend's pain and his misfortune. But What I can't see is you coming here and saying the other person was driving a MAZDA and its either 7 or 8 because it could go 150MPH weaving in and out of traffic. 7 has a very unique look and I could spot it several 100 yards away.. And I would also say the 8 has a very unique look and could be spotted farely well. By your story, this is what i could assume.. Your friend saw 7/8 and decided to follow him.. you friend couldn't catch him and he lost control of his car. In any situation, I don't think this Madza owner did anything wrong except for so called excessive speeding (but didn't get caught.. which I say I speed but until I get caught, I wouldn't be prosecuted for my previous speeding) and I don't think he fled the scene as you call it. I hate to say this, but unless the Mazda 7/8 owners made contact with your friend, he is at no way at fault of your friends misfortune. If your friend especially tried to follow this, 7/8, its 100% your friends fault for his misfortune... Unless you come back with some technical FD related post, I'm going to lock this thread. Once again, sorry about your friends misfortune and hope he recover from this... I couldnt have said it better. I agree 100% |
I'm going to close this thread.. Its pointless..
By the way, I'm the third Moderator on this, 3rd gen section of the forum.. I get on this section quite a bit and going to kill any non-technical threads.. Also, I'm going to try to give out as much info as possible. I know few things about FDs and will do my best to help this community. |
Moved to a more appropraite forum https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.gif
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*polishes one liner*
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Originally Posted by black93fd' post='842692' date='Oct 27 2006, 12:41 AM
I want this guy to get what he LEGALLY deserves. dude WTF? If the mazda driver actually clipped your buddy, or somehow forced him off the road then he has fault. Otherwise you are just being a little bitch about this. Many people have told you that your buddy was a willing participant in this...Why are you so determined add blame to someone else? Is that going to help your friend? no. Like I said I am extremely sorry about your friend. I know how it feels to have someone we care about be in a coma. I pray that he makes a full recovery. M- |
so you want him to go down for racing? i hope you got a video because i bet he isnt gonna confess to 150+ if you ask him...
and it may sound harsh but if your gonna do **** like that dont expect to come out on top every time. |
alright guys I'm not trying to stir up the hornets nest or anything or cause problems. maybe I was out of line I apologize if I was. as far as me knowing it was an Rx7 I really have no idea thats what it was. according to a witness "it was a silver mazda" I just assumed that most likey it was an rx7 or rx8 because not many other mazdas can get to those speeds very easily. I just was really upset about the fact my friend was hurt (through his own fault). If he doesn't pull through than it is in fact manslaughter to be involved in this race and yes this from an attorney. but If I went too far I apologize It was just my first instinct to find out who this guy was. also this is not tech related so I'll go ahead and end this here. once again sorry for getting so compulsive guys.
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It sucks that in this day and age people always try to fault others for their actions.
If I was the Mazda, I would have called 911 for him, and taken off aswell. BECAUSE, I keep in mind that people like Black93fd are looking to displace blame. And have attorneys on speed dial, ready to help them. You should have the attorney make sure his (vette driver) insurance company is paying up so he can get the care he needs. I truly wish your friend luck with his recovery. And my best wishes for his family. |
According to the law in california (may be even in the whole us) if his friend doesnt make it the mazda driver if found will most likely be charged with involentary vehicular manslaughter, even if he didnt drive him off the road, clip him or anything of the sort. That could be up to 10 years.
So according to law, the mazda driver could be at fault. It really makes me wonder sometimes about where this country is going... I wish your friend luck and hope your friend recovers. -J And as far as this thread goes i dont think there is anything i, or anyone else can gain from reading this. Just my .02 |
Maybe this only applies to Canada where I'm from, but for them to technically be "racing" wouldn't there have to be a marked or recognizable start and/or finish line?? otherwise it is, at the worse, imprudent driving? Which, I suppose could still make him responsible for manslaughter, except for the fact that it wasn't HIS imprudent driving that caused the accident. You'd have to prove that it was the Mazda's irrespnsible driving, and not the corvette's that caused the accident. Which, I think would be hard to do, all things considered...
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I feel dumber for reading this post.
Come on. Don't try to ruin someone else's life because your friend made a poor decision. I hope he recovers and you guys move one. The past is just the past. Don't live there nothing more to experience from it. |
Originally Posted by black93fd' post='842851' date='Oct 28 2006, 01:20 AM
If he doesn't pull through than it is in fact manslaughter to be involved in this race and yes this from an attorney. What??? First of all, there are so many scenarios that might of cause this... and blame can not be put on the Mazda owner unless its clear that they were actually racing... Not your dumbass friend trying to follow him and lost control.. thats like me following a car front of me who's speeding(maybe not 150MPH.. which I highly doubt) and I loose control and run off the road. Is that mean the car in front of me is responsible??? NO!!! I think you need to see where your friend's lawyer went to school and how well he did.. because its going to be an impossible case if the Mazda's intention wasn't a race, didn't make contact, and he didn't realize your friend was following. This is the stupidest thing I've heard. Unless your friend has a video of the mazda owner asking your friend to race and somehow he ran your friend off, made contact, shot grease like 007 cars, he is not responsible for your friends accident. Its clear case. Don't try to find blame, take it like a man and admit fault. |
Originally Posted by herblenny' post='843212' date='Oct 30 2006, 06:08 PM
What???.......I think you need to see where your friend's lawyer went to school and how well he did.. because its going to be an impossible case if the Mazda's intention wasn't a race, didn't make contact, and he didn't realize your friend was following. No, I'm not a lawyer. In some eyes I'm maybe one notch lower. But if the proximate cause of another's death, is the unlawful operation of a motor vehicle, MVH would be filed. Engaging in a contest of speed or acceleration qualifies as the unlawful operation/act and I could probably find case-law stemming from similar facts if I was at my office. I'm assuming there are witnesses, there usually are in dramatic catastrphic accident scenes. Perhaps even a passenger in the buddy's car, maybe even the poster himself. In any event it is a FELONY and would not look good on a resume'. And since nobody takes responsibility for what they do, it also opens the doors for a civil suit by his buddy or next of kin, which is probably the real motivation to find that other car. |
Jim,
I understand the case. But as I stated earlier, as of now, its the word of the corvette owner vs. unknown Mazda driver. If the Mazda owner did nothing but speed and did not realize the idiot vette driver was following him, I can not see how he will be charged with so called, "Motor Vehicle homicide". I do agree if it was a street race and they both knowingly took part in. But if one was just mearly minding his own business and the vette driver trying to follow and lost control, that wouldn't be fault of the mazda owner. Just as my previous example, If I were to follow a speeding car front of me and the car in the front had no idea, nor intention was to "race", I don't think its the car in the front will be responsible for my death if I loose control and die. Hence this case is absolutely ridiculous! Its words of one person vs this unknown Mazda driver. And the lawyer who only knows one side of the story think he could make a case against this unknown Mazda driver is also seem kind of stupid. |
Plus, everyone forgets that it's Alabama law. Even if the law stated the Mazda driver was guilty of something for racing the guy, all he'd have to do is deny knowledge of the Vette's presence and get a reckless driving ticket (if anything.)
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This thread is really starting to annoy me.
While I do feel that the Mazda driver in this instance is guilty of nothing more than extreme recklessness, the fact that he was doing something on the order of 150 mph would be reason enough for most judges and or juries to throw the proverbial book at him. Fact is, it's not "legal" to be running 150 mph on a public highway, and if something goes wrong, chances are you'll be blamed for it. In a tort case, the concept of "contributory negligence" all but guarantees that the "victim's" estate would win a substantial judgement, IMHO. And no, I'm not a lawyer, but sometimes after 5 or 8 beers I'll start talking like one. And since we're on the subject of lawyers... What's the difference between a catfish and a lawyer? One is a slimy, botom-dwelling scum sucker. The other is a fish! |
Originally Posted by black93fd' post='842223
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Jim,
I understand the case. But as I stated earlier, as of now, its the word of the corvette owner vs. unknown Mazda driver. If the Mazda owner did nothing but speed and did not realize the idiot vette driver was following him, I can not see how he will be charged with so called, "Motor Vehicle homicide". I do agree if it was a street race and they both knowingly took part in. But if one was just mearly minding his own business and the vette driver trying to follow and lost control, that wouldn't be fault of the mazda owner....... You can argue the principal, I'm just pointing out the circumstances as I interpreted them from the post and the legal aspects. I'm not trying to defend or convict anyone here. But it sure sounds like a race to me. |
Originally Posted by 1988RedT2' post='843304' date='Oct 31 2006, 09:12 AM
And since we're on the subject of lawyers... What's the difference between a catfish and a lawyer? One is a slimy, botom-dwelling scum sucker. The other is a fish! What's the difference between a dead skunk in the middle of the road and a dead lawyer in the middle of the road? There's skid marks in front of the skunk. |
JIM,
I see where you are coming from.. I was on the impression from the beginning of this post that it was just an assumption by the vette owner. Reason being he was just mearly stating "silver Mazda". Anyone who have pulled on the interstate will know what kind of car you are racing.. unless you are so far back and trying to catch up to the car front of you.. Also, I hate to say this but so far everything "black93fd" written on this forum are mostly misleading and not informative. |
this thread is a waste of bandwidth
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Originally Posted by banzaitoyota' post='843326' date='Oct 31 2006, 11:04 AM
this thread is a waste of bandwidth |
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