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Originally Posted by sidewinderx7' post='872874' date='May 23 2007, 08:39 PM
discuss! what the hell, thats crazy! where is this at a college campus? well religion is one of the things i learned not to openly share my opinion about. I have a buddy with a turbo crx that i work on for him and he gets his panties in a serious knot about religion. he told me the other day that if you dont belive in God your dumb. I wanted to kick his teeth in but instead i just thought about ******* my g/f when i got home to defer my violent thoughts. i dont know alot of the people in here but i myself was raised catholic however now dont go to church or practice any type of religious beliefs. other than when almost dying say "dont let me die God" haha. so ill just wait for others until i attempt to "discuss' hehe |
if your friend is a serious catholic, ask him if he believes in dinosaurs. true 100% catholics can't believe in dinosaurs because they dont believe the world/universe is that old. i was raised catholic, and went to private school from pre-k to 8th grade. i believe in some form of higher being i guess, but religion is all bullshit, catholicism is so backwards its funny at times.
try searching for a hardcore catholic website, the stuff they're forcefed to believe is great. kevin. |
Why do you think catholics can't believe in dinosaurs? They're mentioned in the bible at the end of Job, and there's a whole bunch of references to dragons. It's also arguable that the bible supports an old earth (15bn year) point of view, it certainly doesn't contradict it.
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Many people take the bible literally and get distracted from the message. The bible is not a chronologically accurate account of the history of the world, and it does not need to be.
Every civilization on this earth has developed a religion. The acknowledgment of a higher power is one of the hallmarks of an intelligent man. You are not God. Peculiar traditions and dogma aside, the primary focus of religion--or at least, of Christianity--is love. Respect for others. Forgiveness. That's not a bad thing. |
Originally Posted by 1988RedT2' post='872895' date='May 24 2007, 05:58 AM
Peculiar traditions and dogma aside, the primary focus of religion--or at least, of Christianity--is love. Respect for others. Forgiveness. That's not a bad thing. Today's Islamist is yesterdays Crusader. I am Antagonistic. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif Reared Catholic. |
I pray to the sun. It never lets me down!
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Originally Posted by l8t apex' post='872900' date='May 24 2007, 08:25 AM
"Crusades and the Enquisition" I'm not for a minute defending the Catholic Church. Churches have often used religion as a justification for wrongdoing in pursuit of self-serving goals. That fact ultimately has nothing to do with, and does not invalidate the whole of Christianity. |
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i dont feel like debating religion, it makes me sick, basically religion is a sham.
just something for people to turn to when they feel down or threatened or whatever. so its alright if it helps those people out but the brainwashing and denial of scientific data is just stupid. kevin. |
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Originally Posted by inanimate_object' post='872894' date='May 24 2007, 02:43 AM
Why do you think catholics can't believe in dinosaurs? They're mentioned in the bible at the end of Job, and there's a whole bunch of references to dragons. It's also arguable that the bible supports an old earth (15bn year) point of view, it certainly doesn't contradict it. Fall of Jerusalem (as archeologically supported)... 588 B.C. Ezekiel 4:4-7 Fall of jerusalem is prophesized to be 430 years after division of Solomon's kingdom... 1018 B.C. From the end of Solomon's 40-year reign to the start of the Temple in the 4th year of his reign takes us back to... 1055 B.C. 1 Kings 6:1 Solomon's temple started 480 years after Exodus from Egypt... 1534 B.C Gen 12:10/Exodus 12:40/Gal 3:17 Abraham enters Canaan 430 years before Exodus from Egypt... 1964 B.C. Since Abraham entered Canaan at age 75 (Gen 12:4), he was born approximately 2039 B.C. Gen 11:11-26 Arpachshad(Abrahams grandad and Noah's son) born 290 years after Abraham, and 2 years after the flood, 2331 B.C. Genesis 5:3-32 1656 years between creation and the flood (explicitly) 3987 B.C. Either the dating of the ruins of Jerusalem are off by a few billion years, or creation week was in 3987 B.C., which makes the world just barely 6000 years old. Steve |
i pray to Joe Pesci
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Originally Posted by MtnRacer' post='872952' date='May 24 2007, 01:02 PM
Either the dating of the ruins of Jerusalem are off by a few billion years, or creation week was in 3987 B.C., which makes the world just barely 6000 years old. Steve science is wrong all the time.... |
If you put your ear to the ground you can hear the crusade coming to vanquish the blasphemers.
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Originally Posted by MtnRacer' post='872952' date='May 24 2007, 04:02 PM
Either the dating of the ruins of Jerusalem are off by a few billion years, or creation week was in 3987 B.C., which makes the world just barely 6000 years old. Steve thanks for writing what i was too lazy to go about lol. thats the stance of "hardcore" catholics, there are catholics with relaxed views, but ask the hardcore catholics and there is no such thing as relaxed views. relaxed catholics are people who feel they need to belong to a religion to be normal or whatever. and this isnt just a thing against catholicism, i dont believe in religions, theyre all crocks of **** to get you to give them your own money and so they can add one to the "with us" side of their chalkboards. i especially like divorced catholics, its hilarious "oh i was reborn after my marriage" STFU. kevin. |
Originally Posted by teknics' post='872966' date='May 24 2007, 06:12 PM
and this isnt just a thing against catholicism, i dont believe in religions, theyre all crocks of **** to get you to give them your own money and so they can add one to the "with us" side of their chalkboards. kevin. Im buying a spot in heaven. |
Originally Posted by RONIN FC' post='872968' date='May 24 2007, 06:18 PM
What do you mean? Im buying a spot in heaven. the price keeps going up, morally and financially. i wonder if molestor priests go to heaven? kevin. |
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WWRD?????
What would reted do? |
God hates you all!
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Jesus rocks, you should see that guy mow my lawn, dude is quick and damn handy with a weed whacker.
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Originally Posted by MtnRacer' post='872952' date='May 24 2007, 09:02 PM
O Rly?ly 2039 B.C. Also I'm no expert in Hebrew, but I've heard it said that the word translated as day (yom) refers less to a 24 hour day and more to an extended period of time - especially the way it's used in genesis. The bible uses different literary techniques, it isn't primarily a science book so it uses a lot of metaphors and things - eg commons sense prevails that Jesus wasn't physically a rock, or even a shepherd - why can't the same apply to the 1st chapter of genesis, especially when it's written in a similar way? I'm not necessarily saying I have the right answer, but it's what seems the most plausible to me, call it my interpretation. The big problems people have with christianity invariably is never with the bible, it's with the christians themselves and their interpretations of the bible - remember at one time "the church" held the belief that the world was flat, even though the bible doesn't support the idea. In fact what you'll find is that the bible consistently goes hand in hand with what we are learning about science, in fact the better understanding of science you have the better understanding of the bible you'll have too - einsteins theory of relativity has this year been validated to within 1% so at this point we can pretty much assume it's accurate, when you read the bible with this in mind it makes more sense not less. |
Originally Posted by phinsup' post='872989' date='May 24 2007, 09:34 PM
Jesus rocks, you should see that guy mow my lawn, dude is quick and damn handy with a weed whacker. Yeah, you should see him attack my bushes. Damn good job. And that son of a bitch loves him some corona! |
i know this much. jesus didnt die on a cross and early christians didnt celebrate his birth...but yeah discussing religion on the net is kinda pointless.
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Originally Posted by inanimate_object' post='873016' date='May 25 2007, 02:55 AM
Ya rly! Everything you mentioned there seems spot on as far as I can see, apart from the fact that you make no allowance for how long creation took, apart from mention of days and nights, there's nothing to say that the that week couldn't have taken billions of years. In fact as far as I'm concerned there's more to support the alternative. For instance, on one of the "days" adam had the job of naming all the animal species on the planet - I can't see how he could have done that in 24 hours. Also I'm no expert in Hebrew, but I've heard it said that the word translated as day (yom) refers less to a 24 hour day and more to an extended period of time - especially the way it's used in genesis. The bible uses different literary techniques, it isn't primarily a science book so it uses a lot of metaphors and things - eg commons sense prevails that Jesus wasn't physically a rock, or even a shepherd - why can't the same apply to the 1st chapter of genesis, especially when it's written in a similar way? I'm not necessarily saying I have the right answer, but it's what seems the most plausible to me, call it my interpretation. The big problems people have with christianity invariably is never with the bible, it's with the christians themselves and their interpretations of the bible - remember at one time "the church" held the belief that the world was flat, even though the bible doesn't support the idea. In fact what you'll find is that the bible consistently goes hand in hand with what we are learning about science, in fact the better understanding of science you have the better understanding of the bible you'll have too - einsteins theory of relativity has this year been validated to within 1% so at this point we can pretty much assume it's accurate, when you read the bible with this in mind it makes more sense not less. Let me preface by saying that I have 12 years of religious(catholic) education under my belt, but I think the bible is a very poor reference guide, sorry. It contradicts itself in so many places and is so open to interpretation (as you mentioned) that anybody can (and they do) use it to justify just about anything, from the crusades all the way to banning gay marriage. And sodomy aside, there are some things written expressly in the bible, which I believe are not open to interpretation, such as a woman's place in society. Kudos to you for not getting huffy about it though, most people just can't talk about it. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.gif Steve |
Originally Posted by MtnRacer' post='873042' date='May 25 2007, 09:08 AM
I do have one major problem with the bible and that is that the bible explicitly bans sodomy and I love sodomizing, so I was destined never to make it in the christian religion. Steve christ! i'm gonna start locking MY door |
Originally Posted by j9fd3s' post='873045' date='May 25 2007, 10:16 AM
christ! i'm gonna start locking MY door Steve |
i'll give ya throw Mike, not like it will cost me anything more then time.
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Originally Posted by phinsup' post='873053' date='May 25 2007, 10:57 AM
i'll give ya throw Mike, not like it will cost me anything more then time. no, steves the sodimist.... |
jesus is santa clause for adults....... period
be good or no presents for you. |
Jesus owns a rotary powered corolla.
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Originally Posted by RONIN FC' post='873198' date='May 26 2007, 08:34 PM
Jesus owns a rotary powered corolla. lmao! hector has my r100 |
Originally Posted by j9fd3s' post='873239' date='May 27 2007, 02:17 PM
lmao! hector has my r100 |
Originally Posted by RONIN FC' post='873274' date='May 27 2007, 10:14 PM
Hector? Jesus's son? |
Originally Posted by l8t apex' post='873290' date='May 28 2007, 05:32 AM
Hector from PRMotorsports? yep, that one! |
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