this is the latest operating system by the boys at microsoft.

unlike past os's, or even xp for that matter, this one is not just a stand alone piece of software. this is going to be shipped world wide as a

OS + CPU + MOTHER BOARD

combination. the plan here is simple folks. i am going to try and keep this as brief as i possibly can. you see in theory they plan on having you connect your system to this major LAN. in it they will have full access to your pc in the following ways.











1. Microsoft plans to implement Palladium DRM (digital rights management) in a hardware chip, initially implanted on the mobo, but later on embedded in the CPU, and employing hardwired encryption throughout. The purpose of this is to flag every file on the computer with a digital signature telling a remote server what it is. If it's an unauthorised file, the remote server will tell your computer not to let you execute it



in simple terms no more warez, mp3's or illegal activity without them knowing







2. Before an application can run, it too must have a digital signature remotely verified by another server. If the program binary doesn't match with any of the authenticated binaries, your computer won't run it. This, again, is meant to stop your computer running "unauthorised" software - which might be warez, or it might just be a nifty freewrae program that the authors acn't afford to have certified. Microsoft will be able to control exactly what your computer can and can't run.



in simple terms you wont be able to run anything illegal without the manufacturer authorizing it first









3. As most of you know, Microsoft employ a strategy of making their software deliberately obsolete - they make it forwrd compatible, but not backward compatible. With the laws of the DMCA, it will soon be illegal to try to make a software product that is compatible with another programs file types (for example, take the many office applications there are for Linux which have had some success in translating their arcane file formats).



in simple terms if you make something for microsoft, you will not be allowed to port it to other formats like linux or mac os. this means that they will crush the competition by a form of a legal monopoly.









4. Palladium will effectively ban free software, not just free stuff for Windows platforms, but free stuff for Linux, Mac, in fact every OS that runs on a Palladium enabled motherboard/processor.



in simple terms no more free software from 3rd party companies. we all know of free applications such as winamp or even kazza. well most of these people ask for donations to keep them alive and make little money doing so. if you want your software to run on this OS your going to have to pay microsoft a fee for them to declare it 'safe' to run on your machine. a fee most of these free companies can not afford.









5. The "secure network". This is the real clincher for Palladium. At first, they're going to make it so that it is possible to turn Palladium off at the hardware level. But it is created in such a way so that, if you try to connect to a Palladium web server, you won't be allowed to. Palladium machines will only be able to talk to other Palladium machines, and non-Palladium machines won't be able to talk to any Palladium machines.



in simple terms kiss going online and playing games online good bye. this is being done so that they can stick you with an 'upgrade' fee to enable you to do what you are doing right this second.









6. At first I thought: what the hell, this is only going to apply to x86 architecture (namely Athlon and Pentium chips, since it's only AMD and Intel who are involved at the moment). So, I could try another hardware architecture: such as the Mac/PPC, or the Sun Sparc, or an ARM, or any other kind of processor. But then I realside that even if I did, I wouldn't be able to access the "Palladium network" which could encompass the entire internet if this concept goes far enough. So all you Mac users would be effectively locked out; you too would have adopt a Palladium machine if you wanted your computer to actually do anything.



in simple terms they are finding a way to make a legal monopoly by locking out all competition.











7. Palladium will enable all your documents to be controlled remotely. No, this is not a joke. If Microsoft find you are using an outdated version of Office, all they need to do is send a message to your computer and it will no longer let you read any of your documents that were created with that application. Even more sinister is that if Microsoft take offence at any of the documents on your machine (this could be porn, it could be a simple document containing DeCSS information or anti-Palladium information) then they can delete or alter it not just from your PC but from every other Palladium PC on the network.



in simple terms you no longer have privacy on your own machine.

...And I was just thinking about installing the new Mandrake version, after hearing all this talk about it and seeing some desktops from previous posts...



The scary thing is this plan, in all likelihood, will work flawlessly. Everyone should go to 2600 and form a stance against manipulation of this sort. Read about their lawsuits. Read about how we lose Civil Liberties everyday.



Sorry, didn't mean to preach there. I swear I didn't read this post before I replied to that console post!



Is it weird that one of Britney Spear's songs popped into my head? Some of the lyrics must've leaked out before I muted the video...you know the one..."Slave" or something like that.

The smarter hackers out there will have the whole rig circumvented within days of its release. Just like Product Activation, the scheme will be rendered useless. Also, there's no way that Microsoft can stuff this thing down the entire industry's throat.

Not bloodly likely Microsoft will be able to do this, save with the tablet PC. They don't build hardware save for the Xbox and have no reason to start building hardware otherwise it's a loosing game money wise.



Where did you read this?



In theory, I agree with the no warez stance as I know what it costs the industry in lost wages when software is stolen. The idea that software should be free looses rapidly when you expalin to the people that they're not getting a dime to code it.



Microsoft doesn't dilberately obsolete there software, the reason for ditching backwards compatability is one of code base survival and stability nothing more, nothing less. Ever look through all of Win32 with all the old extensions and what not? There's what, 30 some ways to draw a circle, at least 4 major API's that I know of just for backwards compatability sake.



It's like saying Linux must support the original Bell systems API's and what not, it doesn't, it won't there's no point to it. Or saying that Linux should be System V compatable, alltho I had heard someone was trying this.



I seriously doubt Microsoft is going to attempt anything like this on any grand scale, it won't work there are too many eyes on the company as it sits. Sun is more likely to try it, in fact they have with the old SPARC stations. Dongles, weeeee



Where's your information? This sounds more like rumors and FUD.

I only steal from billy boy :smirk:

its like ive always said bill gates is the devil

and look what he is doing now trying to stick it in a little further https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif

well billy boy i didn't pay for xp nor will i ever i'm going to the linux camp as soon as i get the time to convert

one interesting thing to note is that Microsoft has recently started selling networking hardware (home routers, wireless, NICs)



it's almost a little spooky thinking about some of the possibilities



:monkydance:

I've just started looking into what they're up to with this and par usual, people are screaming and yelling about it before they look into it much. No I'm not saying Phinsup is, but I've looked around and most of the Linux sites all the Hippy Love Love Toe Parade sides are freaking out.



Of course, if they were to look at the design specs they'd see that all of that isn't true.



Typical reactionist junk.

LOL it didn't come from a Linux site. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png



I was pointed to the info by someone who prolly doesn't really want me saying he pointed anyone to an "anti-microsoft" article.



No matter what you say there are some parts of that post that are definetely on the drawing board, I know you probably talk to people at MS on a regular basis... but I doubt you spend too many evenings at various employees houses https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

I doubt that MS is going to get much into hardware, however the next office is already being tested in house and will be a very small install, you will have to be connected to the internet to download the remaining install files. Basically the install gives you the ok to install them and a key.



Ummm, dunno if you read that anywhere https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

You guys are geeks.



























j/k



I love you computer fags!!

I throw this **** out here just to piss RD off, sad thing is I am pretty sure he knows it cause he stays off the topic until he just can't take it anymore. He waited a while this time, he's usually quicker.



I'll have to come up with something a little more "off the charts" next time.

Haha.. Phins you rock. :mullet:

Acutally I knew about that or at least the concept for it, they've been heading that way for some time now https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png The real question will be a network level install, it'll bomb if they won't allow it. Plus the acceptance of broadband...



I'm guessing that about half of palladium will come out and the other half will not. Some of the ideas behind it are good and very workable, the rest are getting to close to the privacy line and the goverment will put a stop to all of that too many eyes. Otherwise, Microsoft has the right to protect it's software just as anyone else does.



The idea that you won't be able to run anything that's not MS approved is totally rediculous. Sounds like something Stallman would come up with.





Microsoft isn't going to do something that's going to piss off almost everyone using their systems.

No doubt there, Stallman and his crew are total zealots that make the rest of the Linux community look bad.



One thing though, no one is going to force anyone to upgrade to this new stuff, whether it is intrusive or not. I've been using an AMD K6-2 500 system for quite a while with a legitimate copy of Windows 2000 Pro and Office 2000 Pro. I feel no need to upgrade because my system does everything I want it to do. The only people out there that have a compelling need to upgrade are gamers that need to stay on the leading edge of performance to play all the latest games.

You say that now, but businesses that won't be able to open new Office.net documents because they are running an older incompatible version will ultimately be forced to upgrade.