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boxrs4sale 04-28-2004 06:00 PM

you can buy them for about 8-10 grand fully functional (no altimeter though). don't need a license to fly one either.. unless you get a two seater, from what i have read.



they go up to about 13,000 feet and fly between 65-100 mph.. depending on the make and model. they look like a lotta fun to me.



im thinking about getting one this summer to fly to work. i might have a job for an aeronautical firm, so i can take off in my backyard (i have a big field) and land at the airport. i have had my student pilots license since high school, so all i have to do is recertify and finish training for my private pilots license if i wanna move up to bigger aircraft.



cheaper than a car. don't know about insurance for something like that and gas consumption, but most of them only have a 5 gallon fuel tank.

Jedi 04-28-2004 06:04 PM

Its called an ultralite and they have been around for like 20 years. Basically a hang glider with a motor

boxrs4sale 04-28-2004 06:08 PM

Its not an ultralight. They are called "trikes" or "wings" or something like that.. not too sure.. but for an ultralight, you need a certification or some sort of license for one of those.



but these are considered gliders by the FAA. so you don't need any training or license.



if i bought one, i would probably take a crash course on these things, but nothing extensive because i already have a ton of experience with flying.



i think these things look like a great idea.. and yeah, they may have been around for a while, but im just now starting to do research on them

Jims5543 04-28-2004 07:10 PM

Do they still have parachute cannons on them??



Those things are cool - Just pray you never hit a stong headwind. You'll experience flying standing still.

boxrs4sale 04-28-2004 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by Jims5543' date='Apr 28 2004, 04:10 PM
Do they still have parachute cannons on them??



Those things are cool - Just pray you never hit a stong headwind. You'll experience flying standing still.

I know you can pay extra for a parachute in case of emergencies. you can deploy it at your own will..



i know there is another model that is all parachute and no wing on top.



yeah, you could either make record time to work, or be a record late to work. lol

phinsup 04-28-2004 08:07 PM

LOL, you'd never go to work if you had that thing, who the hell are you kidding.



Like me and Amy living on a sailboat, I'd do it, but I'm afraid we'd spend more time away from land than on it LOL Jim would wonder what the hell happened to me when a postcard from south of the equator with 50 stamps on it hits his desk LOL

boxrs4sale 04-28-2004 08:09 PM

powered parachute

boxrs4sale 04-28-2004 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by phinsup' date='Apr 28 2004, 05:07 PM
LOL, you'd never go to work if you had that thing, who the hell are you kidding.



Like me and Amy living on a sailboat, I'd do it, but I'm afraid we'd spend more time away from land than on it LOL Jim would wonder what the hell happened to me when a postcard from south of the equator with 50 stamps on it hits his desk LOL

hahaha.. if i worked at the airport, and had the option.. you bet ur ass i'd do it..



the field behind my house is easily large enough for a runway, and the airport prolly won't care as long as i have ATC clearance.



oh please let me get this job.. please

phinsup 04-28-2004 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by boxrs4sale' date='Apr 28 2004, 06:11 PM
hahaha.. if i worked at the airport, and had the option.. you bet ur ass i'd do it..



the field behind my house is easily large enough for a runway, and the airport prolly won't care as long as i have ATC clearance.



oh please let me get this job.. please

Depends on the airport, some require clearance, a lot require you to at least be able to contact other pilots to let them know you are landing and then there's also a ton that have special areas for landing lw ac's, you don't need that much space. One of my A&P instructors flew a homebuilt helicopter to work everyday, he got their quick, took me up in it once, didn't like it, ******* whirly-gigs, it's a wonder they don't convert from helicopter to rock more often.



When I had full access at paine field, before 10PM I had to request clearance to cross any runway, after 10PM you had to announce, clearly your intentions, ie "I am crossing RW 16 going east to west and I will pause between runways and proceed accross 24" Something like that, then you had to say "Crossing 16, hold, crossing 24 clear."



I have no idea what my point was **** it.

boxrs4sale 04-28-2004 08:21 PM

i know what you are saying. i think most of the hassle can be avoided by filing a flight plan.



also, most ultralights don't even have a radio, so i would have to find out the requirements to land in the different types of airspace.

Fluid Dynamics 04-28-2004 08:27 PM

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$10k will get you a good start on throwing one of these together. 100hp and 180mph cruise speed - a perfect candidate for a one rotor.

phinsup 04-28-2004 08:29 PM

I always like the Osprey, I'll have to find a pic of it, it's a 2 seater pusher.and can land in water.

1988RedT2 04-28-2004 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by boxrs4sale' date='Apr 28 2004, 06:08 PM
if i bought one, i would probably take a crash course on these things

Umm... You should really find another way of saying that!

boxrs4sale 04-28-2004 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by 1988RedT2' date='Apr 28 2004, 05:36 PM
Umm... You should really find another way of saying that!

hahahaha...



iv'e already flown by myself a number of times.. its just a matter of finishing my license for a single engine rating.



for the "trike" thing though, they say that most people solo after 1 and 3 hours of flight. there is a lot less to worry about to..



no radio (unless required by the airport), no flaps, runway length, engine failure.. if the engine quits, you just glide. i think its a great concept. i just have to get this job, and see if i could fly into this airport.

boxrs4sale 04-28-2004 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by Fluid Dynamics' date='Apr 28 2004, 05:27 PM
$10k will get you a good start on throwing one of these together. 100hp and 180mph cruise speed - a perfect candidate for a one rotor.

i like that.. but it is an ultralight, and you are required almost the same requirements as a standard single engine airplane.. they also take a lot more time to build..



i would rather have the engine in the back as well as an open cockpit.. i spend too much time behind a winshield driving to school or home etc...

Eric Happy Meal 04-28-2004 09:48 PM

my sister used to have one of those little airplnanes, she moved and lives on a private runway now. shes thinking of getting a new one (one of their engines shitted out while they were in flight).

rfreeman27 04-28-2004 10:15 PM

What if it is raining?

Terrh 04-28-2004 10:49 PM

then you get wet?







(that's what usually happens when you're outside while it's raining, isn't it?)

boxrs4sale 04-28-2004 11:44 PM


Originally Posted by rfreeman27' date='Apr 28 2004, 07:15 PM
What if it is raining?

yeah, you get wet.. thats about it, and will slow you down (it did in cessna's)



so i am assuming the same for the trike things

rfreeman27 04-28-2004 11:47 PM


Originally Posted by Terrh' date='Apr 28 2004, 11:49 PM
then you get wet?







(that's what usually happens when you're outside while it's raining, isn't it?)

who wants to fly in the rain? (i meant a bigger storm anyways https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R )

boxrs4sale 04-28-2004 11:57 PM

i dont' think anyone does.. i think its more like.. what happens if you get caught in the rain.. no one wants to fly if it is raining out

94touring 04-29-2004 01:49 AM

Someone say flying? 13k feet in that thing? No thank you. Hell a 152 takes about an hour to hit 10k feet, which is the service ceiling by the way. Class D, C, and B airspace or any airspace with a tower requires 2 way radio communications. Non-towered airports you are suppose to self announce everything, but you could probably get away without it at some of these places, or buy a handheld reciever? Well this is what I was doing yesterday, still from a video I shot.

RevRex-7 04-29-2004 02:03 AM

It needs a Turbo.



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boxrs4sale 04-29-2004 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by 94touring' date='Apr 28 2004, 10:49 PM
Someone say flying? 13k feet in that thing? No thank you. Hell a 152 takes about an hour to hit 10k feet, which is the service ceiling by the way. Class D, C, and B airspace or any airspace with a tower requires 2 way radio communications. Non-towered airports you are suppose to self announce everything, but you could probably get away without it at some of these places, or buy a handheld reciever? Well this is what I was doing yesterday, still from a video I shot.

yeah.. the thing is, i might be able to get special clearance if i call in ahead of time.. odds are im going to have to get a handheld radio of some sort..

94touring 04-29-2004 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by boxrs4sale' date='Apr 29 2004, 09:42 AM
yeah.. the thing is, i might be able to get special clearance if i call in ahead of time.. odds are im going to have to get a handheld radio of some sort..

Special clearance at a controlled tower airspace though? By strict FAA enforcement they have to go by the book, which means 2 way radio communication. Not sure if you've ever flown in controlled airspace before, but sometimes they throw all sorts of diversions and instructions at you in order to keep the traffic seperated properly. If you really are gona be flying this thing in radio contact with the tower and departure/approach, you may want to take some lessons with someone who can help you learn the lingo. The ATC controllers get very cranky if you don't use the correct verbage or talk too much, ect....

94touring 04-29-2004 01:18 PM

This is kinda what it is you are looking for. Go-Kart with wings. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale...5&setype=1&nh=0

rotary speedster 04-29-2004 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by 94touring' date='Apr 29 2004, 12:02 PM
The ATC controllers get very cranky if you don't use the correct verbage or talk too much, ect....

The excess verbage is the worse. It kills me when I got like 15 planes to talk to and one guy keys up like he is the only person in the sky. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

94touring 04-29-2004 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by rotary speedster' date='Apr 29 2004, 10:19 AM
The excess verbage is the worse. It kills me when I got like 15 planes to talk to and one guy keys up like he is the only person in the sky. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

Haha. Yeah I got yelled at the other day, but I swear I was keeping it short. I need to learn to say wilco more often.

94touring 04-29-2004 01:24 PM

Some more good info for you. http://www.ulflyingmag.com/2003web/regs.html



"No person may operate an ultralight vehicle within Class A, Class B, Class C or Class D airspace or within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport unless that person has prior authorization from the Air Traffic Control (ATC) facility having jurisdiction over that airspace."

boxrs4sale 04-29-2004 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by 94touring' date='Apr 29 2004, 10:18 AM

now that is an ultra light.. i think the main difference is that it has three way controls.. rudder, elevator, ailerons...



what im considering getting is just a giant kite... with a motor.. lol

boxrs4sale 04-29-2004 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by 94touring' date='Apr 29 2004, 10:24 AM
Some more good info for you. http://www.ulflyingmag.com/2003web/regs.html



"No person may operate an ultralight vehicle within Class A, Class B, Class C or Class D airspace or within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport unless that person has prior authorization from the Air Traffic Control (ATC) facility having jurisdiction over that airspace."

yeah, after reading some of the other stuff.. im just going to have to get a two-way for it regardless... thats the only way ill be able to land in controlled airspace like that...



this airport isn't really busy for the classification that its in.. i forget what type of airspace it is (been so long).. but its a small international airport, with very little traffic... i used to land there with my instructor



getting radio clearance shouldn't be a problem, ill be talking to one of the pilots tommorrow

94touring 04-29-2004 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by boxrs4sale' date='Apr 29 2004, 01:12 PM
now that is an ultra light.. i think the main difference is that it has three way controls.. rudder, elevator, ailerons...



what im considering getting is just a giant kite... with a motor.. lol

How do you meanuever it exactly?


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