THE LAST RX7 WILL BE MADE IN AUGUST! According to an article in the recent Import Tuner, the big heads at Mazda in Hiroshima have announced that the last Rx7, known as the "Spirit R" Rx7 will be made. In light of the upcoming Rx8, the Rx7 will cease being manufactured! This is a low blow by Mazda, isn't there anything we can do? The Rx7 can't be replaced by the Rx8...the Rx8 isn't even a supercar...its a 4 door sedan!!!



BTW, the "Spirit R" has BBS 17" wheels, oversized brakes w/ red calipers, recaro red seats and will weigh a little less being the best production Rx7 ever! Why would Mazda stop?



DAMN THE RX8!!! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/angry.png https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/angry.png :( :( :( :(

DAMN TAHT RX8 TO HELL!

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Is this Mazda giving us a dose of "Be Careful What You Wish For"?

I told you so. B)

Mazda is tired of doing rotaries so they had to release something crappy to quell the demand.



Actually, who knows? Maybe the RX-8 will be cool, but it doesn't look that way right now.

that will make the value of 7`s go up. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

Well mazda didn't have the resources to produce two rotary powerplants I think...thats when they had to make the decision of whether to keep the Rx7 or go on w/ their plans for the Rx8. I'm sure the Rx8 will be a great car, but it is hardly a supercar like the 4th gens! I just can't believe they are giving up on a 20 year model!!!!

Oh, and what happens if the Rx8 is a complete failure...NO ROTARIES FOR ANYBODY, did you think about that? That would suck! Prices for our parts are gonna go up, aftermarket companies are gonna lean towards the Rx8 too...the rotary world is gonna make a big change, and I'm not sure if I'm gonna like it. I'm glad I have my 2nd gen though... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

For some reason a rapidly approacing $40K "Sports Sedan" seems like a hard sell.

I saw some where that the RX8 is a test to see if the market is there for the Rotary. If it goes well the will be another RX-7 to carry on the name. I cant remember where I saw that at.

Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe if more people BOUGHT RX-7's, they would keep making them? Mazda isnt just going to stop making a car that sells alot, they stop making a car that ISNT selling. How many of you would pony up $40,000 for a new RX-7 anyhow? Do you realize what kind of payment that is a month? Never mind insurance. I guess its the same **** everywhere, the GM guys are probably saying the same thing about the Firebird/Camaro, and we said the same thing about the seven when they stopped bringing the here, and look what happen- they come out with a RX-8, same goes for the 300ZX. I hate to break the news to you, but Mazda isnt going to keep making a car in the hopes that one of us might buy a USED one 6-8 years from now.

Well maybe if Mazda imported more RX-7's maybe more of us would have bought them. And with the RX-8 I think it is going to be a flop. You have a four door sedan with sports car's engines that is trying to pose as a sports car. It is going to be too heavy with the engine most likely being toned down. Plus on top of that if you have four people in the car you have on average 280 extra pounds in the car. You have two extra seats along with the extra length for the seats and the weight of the platforms the extra weight of the doors the hinges and so on. Weigh to much extra weight and not enough power. I believe that you are looking at quarter mile times 1.5 or more seconds higher. And with a base price starting at 40,000 there are not going to be enough people that are going to pay that much for that little. It is evident that people on this forum would much rather pay 40 gs for a 7 than an 8. Suspension is going to be worse as well. Although it will be a little bit longer it won't be as good in the turns. I wouldn't buy a RX-8. But that is just my opinion. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...doublebird.gif

Most people wont buy a 8 for four people, it cuts down on insurance, they charge you more for 2 seaters, although there is no logic to it, you would figure with 2 seats there will only be 2 people to get hurt. And a 2 seater isnt "practical", meaning the fact that it has a useless back seat will kind of pursuade more people to buy it. My convertible was $27,000 before tax in 1988, most of can only afford these cars when they are used, well used. People on this forum would rather pay $40,000 for a 7 then a 8, and that would be fine if they were planning on using Monopoly money. Fact of the matter is that 95% of the people here, including myself, dont have $40,000 if Mazda were to suddenly sell the seven here again.

Most people wont buy a 8 for four people, it cuts down on insurance, they charge you more for 2 seaters, although there is no logic to it, you would figure with 2 seats there will only be 2 people to get hurt. And a 2 seater isnt "practical", meaning the fact that it has a useless back seat will kind of pursuade more people to buy it. My convertible was $27,000 before tax in 1988, most of can only afford these cars when they are used, well used. People on this forum would rather pay $40,000 for a 7 then a 8, and that would be fine if they were planning on using Monopoly money. Fact of the matter is that 95% of the people here, including myself, dont have $40,000 if Mazda were to suddenly sell the seven here again.[/quote]

I may have some Monopoly money lying around somewhere.

Most people wont buy a 8 for four people, it cuts down on insurance, they charge you more for 2 seaters, although there is no logic to it, you would figure with 2 seats there will only be 2 people to get hurt. And a 2 seater isnt "practical", meaning the fact that it has a useless back seat will kind of pursuade more people to buy it. My convertible was $27,000 before tax in 1988, most of can only afford these cars when they are used, well used. People on this forum would rather pay $40,000 for a 7 then a 8, and that would be fine if they were planning on using Monopoly money. Fact of the matter is that 95% of the people here, including myself, dont have $40,000 if Mazda were to suddenly sell the seven here again.[/quote]

I may have some Monopoly money lying around somewhere.[/quote]

I also have the Star Wars Limited Edition Monopoly.

Most people wont buy a 8 for four people, it cuts down on insurance, they charge you more for 2 seaters, although there is no logic to it, you would figure with 2 seats there will only be 2 people to get hurt. And a 2 seater isnt "practical", meaning the fact that it has a useless back seat will kind of pursuade more people to buy it. My convertible was $27,000 before tax in 1988, most of can only afford these cars when they are used, well used. People on this forum would rather pay $40,000 for a 7 then a 8, and that would be fine if they were planning on using Monopoly money. Fact of the matter is that 95% of the people here, including myself, dont have $40,000 if Mazda were to suddenly sell the seven here again.[/quote]

I may have some Monopoly money lying around somewhere.[/quote]

I also have the Star Wars Limited Edition Monopoly.[/quote]

How much money comes with it?

Maybe you guys have been misinformed, but the RX8 was road tested here, and

did a 0-100km in 6.0secs (0-60mph), and 13s over the quarter, it has a rigid chassis

with no B pillar, the rear suspension is very innovative and it still maintains the 50:50

weight distro of the 7s. Im looking forward to the arrival of the 8, and with 196kw from a Normally Aspirated 1.3, thats gotta give those Honda "Power per Litre" queens, a run for there money! :P

And what's all this talk about a 40K car? The local mazda dealer says it's less than 30K.

Wow! THANK YOU! And to all of you that think the RX-8 is going to be around $40k....the price hasn't been released yet. And all signs point tword the $27k-$30k range. Don't jump the gun real quick here. The M3 and M5 are both 4 dr sedans, and they're FAST in every possible way. The Toyota IS300(aka Altezza) is a decent handeling a decently quick car, and they're 4 dr. The Subaru WRX is selling great, an they're 4 dr. All of the US market point twords 4dr sporty sedans right now, is that so bad for Mazda? Maybe they can get enough revenue to actually make a new RX-7 if the 8 does good.



Michael

I just wanna clarify something, I really don't dislike the 8, hell I might even buy one, I'm just upset at the idea that it is the reason behind the 7s removal from the mazda lineup...even if Mazda isn't selling much of them in Japan(which is false, they sell MANY of them to this date) it still doesn't excuse them from removing it, they could just make lower quantities making the car more sought after thus selling them more often...you have to understand, the 4th generation rx7 is NOT a sports car...it is a SUPER car. Its in a whole other class, just like the supras, diablos, porsche, etc...many people dish out way over $50K for exotic cars..and thats what the 4th gen is...



...anyways...I hope to have the 8 in my stable w/ other rotaries after college.

Renesis w/ custom turbo in my FC. hmmmmmm B) https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif

I sure hope they come out with another Rx-7 gen, i want to buy one when i get out of the airforce.

Why do you keep calling it a fourth gen?

I never said anything against M3's the WRX the Altezza or any of those cars. You can still buy a 2 door sport car bimmer. You can still buy a 2 door impreza. But getting rid of a car that has been going strong for so long and then replacing it with a four door family sedan with some pickup to me is traiterous if that is a word. I am totally aware that a 4 door sedan has less insurance. But guess what you still have a 255 hp engine which keeps the insurance still a little higher. I am not oblivious to the facts. And as for it being 40gs I was just using the figure that was thrown up earlier in the conversation. I looked up today and it looks like base price could be 27-33. Good for them but if I had 27-33gs to spend and wanted a new car, I could go out and buy a WS6 Trans Am which would tear it up in the 1/4, or a Cobra, or an SS. Or if I really wanted a sporty car that looked importish I could go out and buy a freaking dodge Razor which comes with a good body design a 200+ hp engine for under 18gs. And have plenty of money left over to buy parts for it. Where as if I blow it all on an RX-8 well then I am **** out of luck. Plus look at price differences how much more is it going to cost to insure a 29,000 car over a 19,000 car. All I am saying is I think Mazda is trying to stay in the game but I don't like what they are doing. I never said that they were going to go heels up I am just stating that losing a great sports car for a 4 door sedan and giving their sporty car spot away to the Miata is not what I had expected nor wanted from a company that gave us one of the best cars ever made for 17 years. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...doublebird.gif

Snowman.... Camaro's and Trans ams are canceled as of 2002 with no plans on returning them. Thought Mustang it out and running very strong.

Hp one the Cobra is qouted at 390 for this year.. Though Ford may increase it to 425hp next year.. I am hearing word of that now...



But a Fully loaded Cobra Convertible is no hitting 38-39grand!



But then again with slicks the car will run 12.4 off the showroom. Word has it a pulley swap air intake silencer removal and an exhaust will get you into the mid to high 11's!!!! :o





But I dont want to see the RX7 go...

You all know Mazda is owned by FORD ,,right ? and mazda's sports car is

the MX5, miata,,2 door 2 seater, and it's sales have been solid, 4 banger,

pistons,they can afford to discontue the rx7,,besides it's hard to smog a rotory of the 13b clan,,mazda forsee's that for north america, thats why

the NEW rotory engine design, is to meet and exceed the laws forthcomeing,,and the next evolution for the rx7, is not a 4th gen,but a whole new RX model, the next number up is 8,....the new rotory engine

is smaller and makes better all around performance,,,but i think mazda

fucked up,when not putting the NEW rotory engine in the rx7, and keep

the rx7 program aloft..but a new 2002-2003 rx7 would be $ 35.000- $ 40.000 dollors if it excisted..point the finger at FORD

I'm thinking Mazda is pulling the RX-7 due to slow sales and the fact that the 3rd gen body has been around awhile.



I also think that as soon as the Renisis has been in the public eye and testing that the RX-7 will be back with a new chassis and a Renisis engine.



Buuut I could be wrong https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

I called it a fourth gen because all the new models I saw after '98/'99 were referred to as a 4th gen...but they werent legit mazda sites, so hey, my mistake. However, it could be considered a different generation due to the slight style changes/HP numbers/ a few other things...but oh well, they all look and drive great to me https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

same chasis same gen. different hp/body panels changes=different series.

i'm all for the RX-8. i think it could pave the way for RX-5s (rotary miata anyone) and cosmos and the like. the more rotarys the better in my opinion. if mazda can convince the car buying public the rotarys arent somthing to be afraid of then we could have a slew of rotary parts to have fun with. thats why there are so many hondas out there. there are like 15 iterations of the b series engine out there (b16abc b18abc b20abc) and with all the stuff you can swap around on honda engines it gives a sense of personality, not to mention the **** load of aftermarket parts. if aftermarket companies go after the rx-8 i wont have to look to japan for the kewl aftermarket parts.



so i say kudos to the RX-8 i hope it does well, so well in fact that they bring back the 7 https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/BURNOUT.gif

First off, the Miata is the best selling sports car out there, its not a car for some of us, but we dont keep Mazda afloat, people who buy cars do, and thats what they are buying. Mazda cant "keep the car around in low numbers", its not economical, you know what costs to tool a factory to make cars??? Never mind to RE-TOOL it to make the car different from year to year, you want to blame anyone-blame the people of the world for not buying enough of them, dont say Mazda is shitty for not making them anymore. You want them to keep it around in low numbers? Then it will have to REALLY improve on performance, then it will be in the $70,000+ range because it will have to be hand made like a Viper or a NSX because to tool a factory to make them wont be worthwhile, then good luck finding someone to buy a Mazda for that price. As for the pricing, they said the 350Z was going to be $25000, and look what Car + Driver tested one at this month- $34, 619!!! You can expect the same **** for the RX-8. Sure it will base at $27,000 or so, but if you want one with the right **** in it, it will be around $34,000, add tax to that, and you are damm near $40,000, add interest on the loan for the duration of the time you are paying the car off, a alarm, and some nitty gritty, and you my friend have a nice $47,000 Mazda on your hands. And dont forget you still have to pay insurance on it, never mind modifications.