https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/tongue.png





Well butchered a TII, kinda, it was a pile anyways so it didn't hurt me https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/ohmy.png





Ripped a supra's heart out, NOT HARDLY!!!



I let a supra live on in another car! The car that this engine came out of, has had it back end wrapped around a phone poll, and had also benn rear ended https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...O_DIR#>/11.gif The poor thing.



So all I did was give it a new body so it can live another day https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

Your still in the stages of delima https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



I mean really, do you know that your car is so freakin big that is has to have a mid shaft bearing!!! Usually only vehicles over like 5000lb's have those. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/violin.gif



But I must say, my brother supe is very luxourious, and sporty. And I do like the supra's, so don't think I bashing them, because if I didn't have a 7, I would have a supra. But hey, now I have both https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png











Did they make magical refinments to the FD. Because I'm pretty sure a 500 HP rotary isn't all that reliable. But then again I guess it all depends on your definition of reliable. What is yours?

yes I have driven an fd, yes it felt nice and smooth, yes I liked it very much. But as soon as you work it to put out 500rwhp I wouldnt give a donkeys ass for the engine life.



you think you can have relible 500rwhp fd? maybe with titanium parts and ceramic seals and a magic wand....



LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING, do YOU own a 500rwhp fd?









indeed... I want a 500rwhp car that I can punish and it will last me over 100k miles. If a rotary could do that, CONSECUTIVLY and not just once in a while by luck or chance or extraordinary craftsmanship of a godly mechanic, then I would keep the rotary in.

Sounds like you need a 2JZ



But I'm not bad mouthing the rotary's, they are amazeing engine, but they are on a different level, they put out more power per cubic inch than any other stock engine in most cars out there.



If they made a 3 liter rotary, imagine the power and reliability it would have, but they don't. And they most likely won't. But if a piston engine were as small as a rotary it would never make as much power nor would it be as reliable.

thats a supra engine if I am not mistaken. I would prefer something that sits a little lower... great engine no argument though.

has anyone ever noticed the freaking title of this forum





NO PISTONS!!!!!!!!!

why are you so close mined?

thats a supra engine if I am not mistaken. I would prefer something that sits a little lower... great engine no argument though. [/quote]

Please don't build a supra7.Theres one out on the road as it is and thats bad enough.The yellow FD that they had to destroy with the 2JZ swap.I like the 7M swap if it didn't require butchering you firewall.Thats my only beef with it.Just remember what I posted here about getting by your stock fuel cut and headgasket problems.

yeah i am not to much in to the idea of building a supra fd, but I am being torn apart here. One part of me wants a rotary because of all the sweet things you can do to it, and it has its benifits. The other want a relible car, and dont yell at me that fds are relible, I have been around long enough to know how long a 500rwhp fd would last.



I am really torn. On one side rotary and its simplicity in working with and high power, then there is the piston engines with torque and stability..... I feel like I want to throw up, this is the hardest desision I have yet had to make in my life....

Righttttttttt..........

eh?

Ok....



let me ask you this. Are you going to put 100k on a 500 rwhp fd?



No i dont have 500 rwhp. A 20b with a large turbo (t66) would make 500 easily on lower boost levels. Look at pettit's Banzai.



I just have beef with you (eip) because you dont even have the car yet...and are blabbing all over the internet how rotarys suck, and you want a 500 rwhp "beater". this is exactly how you make it sound! IF you want 500 rwhp and decent reliability, go get a damn supra. Dont cut up a perfectly good FD because you read somewhere on the internet that they can have trouble. As long as you take every precaution...you could make the power and still have the "reliability" factor.



Look at all the people with high powered FD's on the forum. They all have beaters. I dont see any reason why you would put that much time and money into the car, just to beat on it all the time.

Yeah, ther you go!!! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif



Only one problem, it weighs another 1000 FREAKIN POUNDS!!!











Why do you really care if anyone cuts an FD up, just look at it this, it makes your car that much more rare.

Good Point on both quotes.



It just makes me sad that the best (imo https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR) sports car to come out of japan gets hacked up for a piston engine. The cars are already rare, and have a distinct aura about them. I feel that changing the heart of that car would diminish that.



I have no beef with guys swapping in FC's. You see FC's all the time, and its cool to have something a little different.

OK, if someone hacked up an R100 and didn't put a rotary back in it, THEN I would be pissed. But a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gen really wouldn't faze me as long as it was faster, and better than stock in at least 1-2 ways.







I just wisk someone would make like a 6 liter rotary https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683572.gif

Cool! Keep us updated. It's neat seeing ingenuity at all it's levels, whether it be V8 or turbo 6.

I definately will, I hope to try to start it in a month or so https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

wouldnt a 400hp FD be as fast as 500hp piston car, or close to it with better handling?



i dunno supras, what car is the 7m out off? a friend is starting an AE86 project and we are looking at different engines.

its out of a MKIII supra turbo.

I have always thought that if you just had to swap a piston engine into an RX-7 (like if the world supply of apex seals was exhausted https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR ), the engine of choice would be the WRX STi engine, I don't follow Subaru that much so I don't remember the code (thereby losing me cool points - ouch) - but that is a really short engine with a low centre of gravity, and a lot of power potential. As a bonus, it also has a unique sound.



J

If a piston engine with 500 HP were in an FD, against the exact same FD (meaning same mods) with 400 HP rotary. The 500 HP one would definately win in a straight line, on a road course it would be close, but I think the 500 HP FD could pull away in the straight sway.



So just because it's a rotary doesn't mean it's faster/better.







And as for the WRX motor, if you are taling about a new one, 1st off, isn't that a 4 banger? If it is, there is no way I would ever put that in there, there is only 2 kinds of engine's that I TRUELY like, one is the rotary, and the other is an inline 6.



2nd, wouldn't it be hard to find a motor that new? Unless your talking about an old one.

Yeah the WRX engine is a flat four.



I like the inline sixes myself, but they are long and heavy. I think for a road car the best piston configuration would be a V6, maybe a V8. But I can't stand the sound of a V8, while on the other hand, there is no sound better than a good inline six https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png at least as far as piston engines go.



J

Yeah, that's why I like the inline 6, because it is physically the smoothest running engine out there. Because when ever weight is being throw to one side, there is always weight being thrown to the opposite side.



And the supra engine's sound awsome https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif

stay strong my brotha from another mother https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/cool.png



(mkIIIT supra driver)



Eric

suby engine has a boxter config. It would be an interesting swap.

It must have taken me a good 5 minutes to figure out what in the hell you were talking about rfreeman27.





And then I just realized the WRX's had a flat 4. I thought that they had inline 4's.



That flat 4 might be pretty cool, but I think it would be more fun to make an MR RX-7. And use a Porsche or similar engine https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

Okay reasons why not to buy a supra, of any sort.



A.)Weight, weight, weight, these things weigh a ******* ton..no, almost three tons.



B.)Price, even the older 80s turbo models are jacked the **** up, they're in that whole small sport MR2/Starion/DSM/Supra Craze, at least here anyway.. Market value might be low, but that doesnt mean **** when almost everyone wants 10k for their god forsaken MR2.



C.)Insurance, MOST supras will carry a HUGE burden with you in insurance costs. The newer, the more they will rape you. Now if you're middleaged or older, and have a clean record...sure, but most of us arent..



I know how much of a quality product Toyota puts out. Their inlines have been proven to be some strong ass engines. Especially their 2JZ-GTE they can withstand 1,000 horsepower with stock internals. (and yes, I've had 20 page battles over that, and no, I don't want to start one..so, just swallow it)



isnt it a delightful feeling when people badmouth you for using their coveted chasis for an engine swap? I got people telling ME what a 302 CAN and CANNOT do, I mean it's like, you don't see me trying to educate people about rotaries, I know how they work, sure.. I could do a couple things to them..But, ****..don't tell me I can't make such and such power with such and such money.



The moral? He bought the damn car. Do what you want to your car. But don't sit here and tell him what, and what not to do..that's just fucked up.



****, you guys want me to butcher a FD? I'll go get a roller FD RZ from *Japan* tub the bitch, put some big ass mickey tompsons out the back, a 455 blown pontiac, with a HUGE ass intake sitcking out the hood. Open headers running down the side of the fenders buring them with the hot exaust gasses, **********in' rebel flag in place of the antenna... We'll talk about ruined. Cause this **** right here, that aint ruined, not by a damn sight.

Uhhmmm, your about 1 ton off there buddy, they weigh 3600 lb's.









MKIII and earlier supra's sell for $5000 and under. MKI MR2's sell for 3000 and under. Wer are you getting this stuff?













Let's ask the judge's .....



They say your wrong again! My brother is 19, and he has an 88 NA, the insurance is about 100 a month (liability)



Now I am 16, and I havge an RX-7. And my insurance is 125 a month (also liability). Damn go figure!











Not over any period of time!!!



It will hold 1000 HP on stock internals for about 1, 1/4 mile run, anmd then they go, bend!



Swallow that, biatch! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png (Yes, the ebonics were sarcastic!)











I don't men to sound offensive, I just like supra's ALOT!





If I didn't have an RX-7, I would have a Supra, or an MR2.



So https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/tongue.png

88 NA! That is NOT a turbo. Turbo cars weild a higher insurance rate. Whose name is the RX-7 in title wise and insurance wise? From what I hear, akien is a small ass town, I know people with full coverage on vettes paying 80 bucks a month, does that mean the same for any city/state? Nope ;p



Wanna argue market value in other states? It's a very redundant battle. Decent supras and MR2s go for 5-10k around here. Yeah, you can pick up a beatershit N/A for less than 3 grand, but why?



The tonage thing is right, my ignan't ass is used to thinking a ton was 1,000lbs. That's on me..but 3,600 lbs..that isnt very light ;p



I don't really like supras, the earlier gens are okay, but they're fat *****s. The newer one is a fat ***** dyno queen..so I still don't like it. :P

OK whatever.





Although MKIV's are not dyno queen's! And all supra's ride the road like their on rails.



And really aren't sport's cars, becauser they are truely GT cruisers. So they shouldn't be compared again's a little anerexic 7, or MR2.

Well the wireing is finally starting to come along, and it's looking like it is about 1-2 days away from being done with that.

is the insuracne under ur parents name...also...ur paying that w/o full coverage...full coverage would be a lot more expensive, plus i don't think 125 a month is cheap....thats 1500 a year....my rx7 which is under my name(title and insurance) is 800 a year...and i'm 19 and live in NJ, but i do have a perfect driving record

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif





Ws insurance brought up in this thread? I'm to lazy to read all three pages again, and I can't remember.



Anyways, yes it is under my parents name, and yes it is for minimum coverage, and the reson I don't get full is because, once I get it on the road (hopefully) as long as I don't wreck it within like the first year or something like that, the difference of the two would have bought me a new car. But it is just because I am 16, male, and have s sports car. If I were a female, and drove a ford fiesta, I'm sure it would be way less.

OK time to update with some more pictures:





http://prod.bsis.bellsouth.net/coDat...1radiator1.JPG





http://prod.bsis.bellsouth.net/coDat...1radiator2.JPG







Those are of a mercury sable radiator, out of a 3.0 liter, with a 3.8 liter Ford Taurus/Sable fan. The radiator is REALLY thick. It is acctually a 2 row, and a little over 2" thick, so it will cool the engine very nicely. It was lucky that I got that one to, because I was pulling a smaller 1 row radiator that was 1/2 as thick out of a tuarus, and I looked at the sable to see if it's radiator was easier to get out. And I started to look at it, and thought, DAMN that thing is friggen THICK. So it was a good thing that I found it https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png







http://prod.bsis.bellsouth.net/coDat...1manifold2.JPG





http://prod.bsis.bellsouth.net/coDat...1manifold3.JPG





And there is the begining of my tubular exhaust manifold that my brother is building for me. So far runners 4/5 are done (he started those first because they have the shortest pipe with just as many bends)



But I can take credit for cutting out the header flange/tang divided T4 flange. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

hell, i have great time driving my n/a



you guys need to turn more often

Turn more often?



What do you mean? It should still handle pretty good.

wahhh you make me wanna cry i miss my jdm 7MGTE and all the BHG problems https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif

BHG, what's that https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png





With $150 bucks you can fix that problem for ever.

I'd really like to see you put down the numbers you claim.



The engine will maybe hit 500...hell, it'll maybe hit 600. It will not hit 650 on stock internals. You're going to end up spending over $10,000 just to hit your mark on a 7M reliably.



250k miles? Uh, I think not. These motors are notorious for eating valve seals, and there is no way you gonna hit 250k without replacing them again, if not twice.



Basically, you gained the strength of the W-series transmission, which is legendary...but nothing else.



I can do 20B installs with about the same amount of money you've spent so far and give you a run for the money. If we up the budget for turbos, I'd smoke almost anything you can do to the 7M with better reliability.



How's that for bench racing? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png





-Ted

OK, my HP guesses/hopes are a off yes, but it's a hope, and I'm pretty sure I was being sarcastic, I know the internals wouldn't hold that....





I'm realistically shooting for around 450 HP.





And have you ever owned a 7M???? My brother NA has 180,000 miles on it, and it doesn't burn an once of oil, and has never had anything other than regular tune ups... So how are they hard on valve seals? A statement that generallized is hardly ever true!





And so that is all I gained from this swap is the tranny strength??? I don't think so! I got something that doesn't sound like a jetson's car, has torque, and has better HP capability. Not to knock the rotary, but the 7M is twice as big...



And I'll put money on it, that if you are in the US, you can't do a 20B swap for what I have in this car! I haven't even cross $2,000 yet! Don't BS me and tell me you can do a 20B swap which will cost $4500 for the front clip alone, let alone all the custom parts inbetween. And you saying it could smoke almost anything I can do to the 7M, WITH better relaibility... I've never seen a fully tuned 20B, but I've seen a 7M just short of 800 HP. It probably wasn't that reliable, but if a 20B make that and be reliable, I would like to see it, I'm not saying it can't, I've just never seen it!





Hummm, anyways, here is pictures of the latest progress the IC/radiator are mounted.



http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitch/shoe...oto&PhotoID=201



http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitch/shoe...oto&PhotoID=202



http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitch/shoe...oto&PhotoID=199



http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitch/shoe...oto&PhotoID=203



http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitch/shoe...oto&PhotoID=200



http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitch/shoe...oto&PhotoID=197



http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitch/shoe...oto&PhotoID=196



http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitch/shoe...oto&PhotoID=198