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ExtendedPort 04-08-2003 09:02 PM

Can someone help me by giving me a basic idea of safe Timing values for a rotary i know you want to keep the AFRs around 11:1 but would going up to about 11.8:1 be to lean?

Silver Ninety Three 04-08-2003 09:04 PM

Where are you located?

94touring 04-08-2003 09:30 PM

11:8:1 is a little on the lean side, 11:5:1 is about as high as I would want to take it. 12:1 would be considered dangerous, 11:1 safe, 10:1 a little rich. Timing starting at 0 psi could be around 30-35 degrees then taper down to 15 degrees by 15psi. My timing is set at 36degrees before 0 psi, then 31 degrees at 0psi, then tapers down to 14degrees just after the 15psi mark and holds steady 14degrees the rest of the map. I tuned the car for 11:1 on the dyno last time I went and with these timing values its stayed together running 18psi for a couple years now, so in my mind its pretty safe.

ExtendedPort 04-08-2003 11:34 PM

I live in baltimore MD thanks for the info 94 touring if i have any more tuning questions do you mind if i PM you? or do you have aim?

Silver Ninety Three 04-09-2003 12:56 AM

If you were close to me, I'd offer to tune it at our shop.

ExtendedPort 04-09-2003 01:07 AM

Are you referring to gotham Racing? one day i might take a road trip down there how much do you guys charge?

ExtendedPort 04-09-2003 01:07 AM

Can you offer any hits /tips on tuning? BTW I really wanted to learn how to tune just to know ya know? its one of those things i relaly want to know how to do

94touring 04-09-2003 08:29 AM

Shoot me a PM anytime you feel, or i'm on aim all the time as touring94.

Silver Ninety Three 04-09-2003 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by ExtendedPort' date='Apr 9 2003, 06:07 AM
Are you referring to gotham Racing? one day i might take a road trip down there how much do you guys charge?

Yes, Gotham Racing. We charge $350 for tuning. If we do a motor rebuild it includes free tuning.

j9fd3s 04-09-2003 02:42 PM

have you guys played with the timing split much?



mike

94touring 04-09-2003 03:06 PM

I haven't messed with timing split a whole lot. I know the closer together the more power, but on the haltech I have heard there is a chance if they are too close together the trailing can fire before the leading, causing a blown motor. There are some ecu's like autronic if i'm not mistaken that have them firing at the same time, and there is no chance for error. The difference in power between firing at the same time and slightly apart is still a mystery to me, never seen any real numbers.

j9fd3s 04-11-2003 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by 94touring' date='Apr 9 2003, 12:06 PM
I haven't messed with timing split a whole lot. I know the closer together the more power, but on the haltech I have heard there is a chance if they are too close together the trailing can fire before the leading, causing a blown motor. There are some ecu's like autronic if i'm not mistaken that have them firing at the same time, and there is no chance for error. The difference in power between firing at the same time and slightly apart is still a mystery to me, never seen any real numbers.

thats kinda the reason i bring this up, i have no choice but to run with 0 split and it seems like it wants a lot less total advance than you guys are running



mike

94touring 04-13-2003 11:19 AM

How much advance are you running Mike?

j9fd3s 04-14-2003 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by 94touring' date='Apr 13 2003, 08:19 AM
How much advance are you running Mike?

its like 24 degrees in vacuum and like 10-12 at about 10psi. i have no timing split though



mike

94touring 04-14-2003 06:20 PM

Wow that is low, considering I run 14 degrees after 15psi. Does the car start to break up or something? What kind of igntion system do you have?

j9fd3s 04-15-2003 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by 94touring' date='Apr 14 2003, 03:20 PM
Wow that is low, considering I run 14 degrees after 15psi. Does the car start to break up or something? What kind of igntion system do you have?

i've got 3 fd leading coils, i'm thinking maybe its not good enough under load. its happy in vacuum though



mike

94touring 04-15-2003 04:34 PM

Hook up an ignition amp like the hks twin power, that might solve the problem.

vosko 04-23-2003 08:05 PM

ask boostn7 he has played with the timing split alot

enzo250 04-30-2003 11:13 PM

When your running no split you will notice timing doesn't like to be to far advanced. I would run about 2~5 degrees at 10 psi boost. Maybe even less depending on your fuel. DON'T RUN 15 degrees timing with no split!!!

j9fd3s 05-01-2003 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by enzo250' date='Apr 30 2003, 08:13 PM
When your running no split you will notice timing doesn't like to be to far advanced. I would run about 2~5 degrees at 10 psi boost. Maybe even less depending on your fuel. DON'T RUN 15 degrees timing with no split!!!

yeah, its running like 6-8



mike

apexkw 05-23-2003 09:39 PM

sometimes i wish i knew about haltech. but i dont so sorry, i am just passsing through

j9fd3s 05-24-2003 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by apexkw' date='May 23 2003, 06:39 PM
sometimes i wish i knew about haltech. but i dont so sorry, i am just passsing through

well if we're just talking timing numbers or injector % it doesnt matter what ems it is



mike

Goodfellafd3s 06-19-2003 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by apexkw' date='May 23 2003, 06:39 PM
sometimes i wish i knew about haltech. but i dont so sorry, i am just passsing through

That's a pretty badass little avatar you've got there, apex https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683329.gif

j9fd3s 06-19-2003 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by Goodfellafd3s' date='Jun 19 2003, 09:44 AM
That's a pretty badass little avatar you've got there, apex https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683329.gif

it chases wendell around



mike

1987TURBO 06-17-2012 08:42 PM

Re: Rotary Tuning
 

Originally Posted by 94touring (Post 199257)
11:8:1 is a little on the lean side, 11:5:1 is about as high as I would want to take it. 12:1 would be considered dangerous, 11:1 safe, 10:1 a little rich. Timing starting at 0 psi could be around 30-35 degrees then taper down to 15 degrees by 15psi. My timing is set at 36degrees before 0 psi, then 31 degrees at 0psi, then tapers down to 14degrees just after the 15psi mark and holds steady 14degrees the rest of the map. I tuned the car for 11:1 on the dyno last time I went and with these timing values its stayed together running 18psi for a couple years now, so in my mind its pretty safe.

would this be okay for a FC3S na/t i have a microtech LT-8 stock 550 injectors from my blown turbo block turbo lower and upper manifold i have the racing beat REVII turbo back exhaust and basic suspension set up.


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