If I can figure out how to upload....



Here is the base map for a 13B N/A

My 13B is a 88' 6 port (sleves removed)

550cc injectors

K & N Air cleaner right off the throttle body

2nd butterflys removed

EGR... Airpump... Power Steering.. all gone

Stock intake

Header w 2-1/2" exhaust all the way back.

NOS 2 fogger nozzles into each rotor





http://www.daczone.com/zuki/sm_blue4.jpg



I'll post the map I'm running after I dyno it. I am running alot of ignition curve on my current map.

is this set up in your suzuki?

Yes, 88 13B with the stock trans to the stock Suzuki 5.13:1 rear end. (1st and 2nd gear shifts are quick at full throttle)



I'm still don't have my NOS bottle filled but I'm going to see about some runs Friday night at PIR. It's 2350 lbs without the top, +/- 50 because the scale I used rounds in 50 lbs increments. I'm going to remove the spare tire on the back too.



The build up of it can be found here.

Here is the latest Map I am running, No change in Fuel but the ignition curve is much better.

Trailing vs. Leading I believe is now correct as is the vacuum advance.



It runs like a TOP



Until I get a Wide Band O2 Sensor this is probably as good as it gets.



[Again this is for a 13B N/A 6 Port Motor, 550cc injectors (If using the stock injectors add a trim knob and turn it up 25% which should be right) Header, 2-1/2 exhaust and no sleves. E6K 6.34 firmware]

did you dyno yet???

when you say sleeves are you referring to exhaust port sleeves or the 5th and 6th intake port sleeves?

The 6 port sleves have been removed. I plan to go Turbo by Summer of 2003, I was hoping to have the body completed with new paint, but I want more power first. Still with the 5.13:1 rear end I will be putting a locker in it to keep the power planted to the ground. This vehicle seems perfect for a nice BridgePort or PP. But the Turbo will be cheaper, quieter and quicker.



No Dyno yet, it's been just sitting (too cold out to work on it). Decided to go with a Turbo before I dyno it.

Are you using the 1 bar MAP sensor?

Yes 1 Bar, I will change that before I go with the Turbo.

Ok, I'll probably take a look at your MAP when I get home. Thanks.

What type of turbo setup are you going with?

Well I have a S4 manifold and Turbo... I need to see if the Turbo will clear a 6 Port intake manifold with the 6 port mounts removed and welded holed welded up. (I don't want to use an adapter).



I will probably do a JSPEC Motor rebuild in a couple of months.

I think that if you remove the actuators it should fit. The tricky part will be the oil and water lines.

you need to make a spacer for the manifold. i know somebody that did this already. best bet is just keep running the N/A then do a FULL TII swap https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



13BAce knows all about it https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

If you remove the actuators and grind all of that extra crap off it should fit without that huge spacer.

If you remove the actuators and grind all of that extra crap off it should fit without that huge spacer. [/quote]

ok https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

If you remove the actuators and grind all of that extra crap off it should fit without that huge spacer. [/quote]

ok https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png [/quote]

Grinding is sometimes better. That's why I'm going to notch my frame rail instead of hacking up my manifold. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

Ya I'm going to go get a spare lower manifold to modify. I don't want to leave my car not running until I absolutely have to. I might look for a Turbo Oil Pan, which would take sure of the oil return. The Water will be cake and the Oil I thought I would get off the oil filter with a spacer, I even though of perhaps running the Turbo in line plumbing the oil return line back to the filter.



I haven't see anyone do that I know normally it's gravity that relieves the oil.

The TII front cover is where the oil return line goes, BUT you could go into the oil pan.

Ah, I didn't know that. Thanks. I do see that the Turbo II has a different oil pump (and perhaps the front cover is different also). I've got a S4 turbo and manifold with all the hoses still intact.



Hopefully I'll get a lower manifold this weekend (trying to wait for better weather).

If you take off your front cover you can modify it for the oil return. Otherwise you can go to the oil pan.

hey dac i'm going to try your maps on my engine for a starting point, i have 4 550's but it's street ported and S5, wish me luck https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/tongue.png



i've also got some hitman maps from kindof similar setups i'm going to check out, if only I could get my timing light to work with the magnecor 10mm wires i'd be out playing with it right now.

hrm, i'm using a derivative of dacs map right now, it starts and idles but revving is not too happy, let the tuning commence. I think theres not enough fuel, hopefully my 1 wire o2 sensor will be of some use.



dac, i'm not sure if it just loaded wrong or what, but your post cold start correction temp was 75 below, this fucked me up https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/tongue.png I was trying to getm y car started and the temps were around 74/75 and man i had to datalog cranking and saw 4 5 4 4 5 8 4 4 5 8 4 8 4 5 8 ms.. there was tihs random 8 getting thrown in and it kept flooding https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/angry.png i have no idea how many times i pulled plugs, finally seva stopped by and started flipping through the manual, then asked me about the post start thing, we checked the #'s and saw the coincidence in the temps shown in the datalog and the temp value for the post start correction. Lowered it to 60 or something after the final unflooding, cranked, sprung to life and idled like a monster.



you might want to check that out on your setup, maybe it doesnt get cold around you or something or that setup works for you... i'd love to hear any input on this.

Thanks I'll take a look at that. How's it running?



I'm not sure if I have made changes since I did that map. I think my motor could be stronger, but haven't had a whole lot of time to work on it... Especially since I moved into an apartment :(

well, it starts easy and idles a bit hairy... won't rev, bogs, and if i try to convince it to higher rpms slowly it starts smoking, i think the throttle pump settings are too rich, i havent messed with it though as my alternator is not hooked up yet and no thermofan... so it gets hot pretty fast doing the no-load tuning. I'm going to button up everything else then return to tuning now that i've confirmed the harness works etc.



What fuel pressure are you running at? Mine is adjustable and I wasnt sure what to set it at using your maps, wasnt in the description https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R





I'm afraid the maps arent a good match for my setup, but at least it starts and idles, thats a great start. It's just with the porting/t2 housings, 550cc low impedance lucas injectors, individual throttle bodies, and whatever other customizations I've forgotten it just doesnt run quite right. It's ok though, tunings the fun part right? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png





I'll keep you posted once I get to spend more time tuning, theres alot more to do.

well, it starts easy and idles a bit hairy... won't rev, bogs, and if i try to convince it to higher rpms slowly it starts smoking, i think the throttle pump settings are too rich, i havent messed with it though as my alternator is not hooked up yet and no thermofan... so it gets hot pretty fast doing the no-load tuning. I'm going to button up everything else then return to tuning now that i've confirmed the harness works etc.



What fuel pressure are you running at? Mine is adjustable and I wasnt sure what to set it at using your maps, wasnt in the description https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R





I'm afraid the maps arent a good match for my setup, but at least it starts and idles, thats a great start. It's just with the porting/t2 housings, 550cc low impedance lucas injectors, individual throttle bodies, and whatever other customizations I've forgotten it just doesnt run quite right. It's ok though, tunings the fun part right? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png





I'll keep you posted once I get to spend more time tuning, theres alot more to do.

well, it starts easy and idles a bit hairy... won't rev, bogs, and if i try to convince it to higher rpms slowly it starts smoking, i think the throttle pump settings are too rich, i havent messed with it though as my alternator is not hooked up yet and no thermofan... so it gets hot pretty fast doing the no-load tuning. I'm going to button up everything else then return to tuning now that i've confirmed the harness works etc.



What fuel pressure are you running at? Mine is adjustable and I wasnt sure what to set it at using your maps, wasnt in the description https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R





I'm afraid the maps arent a good match for my setup, but at least it starts and idles, thats a great start. It's just with the porting/t2 housings, 550cc low impedance lucas injectors, individual throttle bodies, and whatever other customizations I've forgotten it just doesnt run quite right. It's ok though, tunings the fun part right? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png





I'll keep you posted once I get to spend more time tuning, theres alot more to do.

I want to start working on my Tunning.



Anyone know what to run for Rotor Timing Split on a N.A. ??



I'm also running pretty linear on my timing advance also.



Anyone else running a 13B N/A with a Haltech.... Lets share maps.



Thanks, Dave