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I started this post just to get some feedback from the guys running aftermarket stand alone Ecu's, Power FC Guys, post your feedback also please....I think this will help all others that have to make this decision in the future! Hopefully we will get Haltech users, PFC Users, Wolf Users, Microtech Users, etc etc....
Please include the following in your post.. ECU you are running PROS - Things you like about it.. CONS - Things you don't like about it. Installation time.. Anything else worth noting... Thanks Anthony |
ECU - Haltech E6k
PROS - Very Easy to tune. Lots of support. Car runs great with it. Hard to setup timing initially CONS - Can't control OMP, Requires rewiring whole car Installation time - Approx 1-2 weeks (normal person https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR ) |
haltech e6k
pros - datalogging, easy to tune, easy to install.. lots of correction maps cons - have to keep original ECU so my air conditioning switch works =] oil metering pump issue can be addressed mechanically and easily. |
Pros- dont know yet havnt installed it yet
cons- wont control me automatic tranny without piggy backing my ecu to run just the tranny |
Haltech E6K
PROS - A lot of support, Datalogging, Relatively easy to tune, I like the fact you car can idle just like stock, when cold idle higher, when warm idle at 800etc. You have a lot of control now. Simplifies the entire car and all wiring. Under the hood will look much simpler. CONS - I hear a lot of guys referring to timing issues, not reliable as far as timing is concerned. I have not seen these issues myself but I do hear it a lot. You need a laptop at all times, not like the WOLF or the PFC....Kinda pain in the ass since you have to factor an old laptop into the overall price, don't forget that. Installation - Does require re-wiring a lot so installation is time consuming for the beginner. Overall I have been very satisfied with the Haltech but I have been researching the WOLF, Microtech etc... Seems like they all miss something here and there.. Wolf - Currently does not offer datalogging but an overall great ecu from feedback from forum members Microtech - Not too much support at the moment, not too many people running it to get first hand opinions etc.. Motec - a lot of money Tec III - just do not know enought about it to post anything... Anthony |
ECU - PowerFC w/Datalogit
PROS- Ignition timing accuracy, plug and play, base starting map, controls OMP pump, can go back to stock ECU easily, don't have to rewire car, excellent drivability on extreme vacuum situations, don't have to buy any extra sensors, has built in anti-lag built into clutch pedal, datalogging-can datalog whatever sensors you choose within the ECU including add on superwideband oxygen sensors, also shows what switches are on or off(brake switch, clutch switch, neutral switch, etc.), constant upgrading of software for the Datalogit through the internet(addition of new features keep coming). CONS- Cannot control PRIMARY injectors that are any bigger than 1000cc's due to the minimum ms limit, support isn't as good as some other ECUs yet, unless you've bought the unit and are on the Datalogit group, not just anyone can go on the website ask questions, and get software upgrades unless you're part of the group(which means buying the Datalogit firsthand). That's all I can think of for now. If I remember anything else I'll post it, I know that the timing accuracy on the PFC is NO JOKE!!!!, and that's a big factor when it comes to the rotary motor, this ECU can do some "tricks" to make more power by using that to it's advantage, without having to worry about timing safety limits. |
Great thread, as I know I'm going to have to upgrade the ecu after I install downpipe this spring.
What about the AEM? Anybody using that one? I'm thinking about AEM or PFC. I don't want to take weeks to re-wire my car. So control is good with the PFC? Ease of install I have heard before is a snap. Heard something about having to cut a wire or two because the harness is for J-spec. True or false? Thanks all, Tom |
power fc:
pros: easy install, makes it run better, the commander display is nice cons: uses stock harness (we are seeing lots of harness failures), uses stock crappy ignition sensors haltech: pro: easy to learn, flexible, you can put it on everything cons: hard to master, the haltech crimps are poor mike |
E6k
PRO: I can tune for new parts asap. Easy to use easy to tune, lots of support. Gets a new harness and can be easily replace cheapily. Good bye hot start problem with stock ecu. Engine componets readily available at any part store just about. Reuses the stock componets like CAS and coils, so no extra parts for the FC. I can control almost everything I can thing off. Very dependable, hard racing under the sun or snow. Can trade maps easily with people around the globe. CON: Gotta log around the laptop to change maps. Would like more injector and timing resolution, e11 offers that. Emmissions. A few timing issues, dont think is as accurate as they say, so i run 2 degree form optimun. Installation: A few hours now that i know how it works. Took a month to install only spending 2 hours a day and cramped garage and underpower little soldering gun. Hardest part was actually deciding how to and route the harness. |
Wolf 3D Version 4.0
PRO: Wayne from www.waynespeed.com :bigthumg: From NYC area. Great full-time tuner, great person... patient and courteous. Hand-held controller is easy to navigate and is a good diagnostic tool. Theft deterent (Car won't start without the controller or pin). Memory cartridge slots for the on-the-fly switching of maps, etc... One freezing morning, my engine temp was reading negative something; one phone call (to Wayne) and a few pushes on the hand-held and not a problem anymore. CON: The ecu is bigger than stock so you gotta find someplace to put it. That's about it, but let's see how well it handles problems that might arise from the upcoming summer months. I don't know much about the installation process (thanks to T&R and Waynespeed). https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/BURNOUT.gif |
E6k
Pro -well established in the US Universal Harness You can swap into any car a small but usable database of Maps Cons:Support was not at all as it was hyped up when I bought mine You can never reach haltech-real bad customer service support awfull ignition problems Instable Tach etc outdated DOS software Cocky Mother efer's who think they know everything and get upset when you ask questions (BDC) I have sold the POS E6K and have bought a MT LT series EMS Pros-Best support! 2 miles from my house I have a MT tuner Made specific for "my car" easy to tune and understand easy to install uses stock sensors (programmed with the correct resistance for the oem sensors) Windows Based Software on a Laptop or swicth to a HandHeld controller a DASH Unit that displays info+plus programmble warning lights and shiftlight awesome! ignition control The top rotary racers in the world use MT's It is a "proven" product Is growing in the US/PR Big Time! Cons- You must send the unit back to get it reprogramed if you want to switch to a diffrent car that has diffrent sensors (you can use the Delco sensors like the Haltech and then there would be no need for reprogarming) |
Originally Posted by rx794' date='Feb 9 2003, 10:01 PM
ECU - PowerFC w/Datalogit
PROS- Ignition timing accuracy, plug and play, base starting map, controls OMP pump, can go back to stock ECU easily, don't have to rewire car, excellent drivability on extreme vacuum situations, don't have to buy any extra sensors, has built in anti-lag built into clutch pedal, datalogging-can datalog whatever sensors you choose within the ECU including add on superwideband oxygen sensors, also shows what switches are on or off(brake switch, clutch switch, neutral switch, etc.), constant upgrading of software for the Datalogit through the internet(addition of new features keep coming). CONS- Cannot control PRIMARY injectors that are any bigger than 1000cc's due to the minimum ms limit, support isn't as good as some other ECUs yet, unless you've bought the unit and are on the Datalogit group, not just anyone can go on the website ask questions, and get software upgrades unless you're part of the group(which means buying the Datalogit firsthand). That's all I can think of for now. If I remember anything else I'll post it, I know that the timing accuracy on the PFC is NO JOKE!!!!, and that's a big factor when it comes to the rotary motor, this ECU can do some "tricks" to make more power by using that to it's advantage, without having to worry about timing safety limits. |
PFC-
Pros- Install is simple Very flexible unit Commander is easy to use and adjust Datalogit is harder to use, but you can fine tune better Cons-Don't have any...yet |
Originally Posted by 3rdGen7' date='Feb 26 2003, 07:11 PM
[quote name='rx794' date='Feb 9 2003, 10:01 PM'] ECU - PowerFC w/Datalogit
PROS- Ignition timing accuracy, plug and play, base starting map, controls OMP pump, can go back to stock ECU easily, don't have to rewire car, excellent drivability on extreme vacuum situations, don't have to buy any extra sensors, has built in anti-lag built into clutch pedal, datalogging-can datalog whatever sensors you choose within the ECU including add on superwideband oxygen sensors, also shows what switches are on or off(brake switch, clutch switch, neutral switch, etc.), constant upgrading of software for the Datalogit through the internet(addition of new features keep coming). CONS- Cannot control PRIMARY injectors that are any bigger than 1000cc's due to the minimum ms limit, support isn't as good as some other ECUs yet, unless you've bought the unit and are on the Datalogit group, not just anyone can go on the website ask questions, and get software upgrades unless you're part of the group(which means buying the Datalogit firsthand). That's all I can think of for now. If I remember anything else I'll post it, I know that the timing accuracy on the PFC is NO JOKE!!!!, and that's a big factor when it comes to the rotary motor, this ECU can do some "tricks" to make more power by using that to it's advantage, without having to worry about timing safety limits. Yes, basically that's how it sounds. |
i have no ignition problems with my E6K thanks to judge ito
my car has been running 20 degrees ignition timing. anyway a programmable ecu is only as good as the installer and tuner.... |
WOLF3D version 3.0
Pros - Biggest pro I believe is being able to run it off a handheld controller- therefore no windows incompatibility problems/communication errors (this is big for me right now b/c I am running into these probs with my friend haltech F9 https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...O_DIR ). Also you get no laptop battery-dead problems. You can also tune whenever you feel like b/c there is always a handheld display in the car (The handheld takes up lots less room than a laptop) CONS- Datalog is not too great. You don't get a pretty graph readout but you do get some datalogging. Only one auxillary out wire. The auxillary out issue has been addressed in the new version 4. Support is not widely available although there are a few good men out there. dannyc www.dcee.rotarymaniacs.com |
Another thing... PRO(of course, I really do like the unit)
You can view your maps in a windows based program and alter them, then download 'em to the ECU via a memory chip(supplied). The program is easy to use and can be downloaded from the WOLFEMS site along with the manual <-- that's a big PRO for me, I got to see and study what I was getting into before I bought it) |
if you have a problem with the haltech F9 software. make a windows boot disk and run it from dos off the floppy. i had to do that on my other laptop.... WOULD NOT run in 98 :(
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E6K
Pros: Real easy to install, a weekend or so (I am 16); Easy to tune; Flexible; Love the control it gives me Cons: I guess there are timing issues? Crappy at high vaccums. ******* Vac --> Boost crossover leanspots really mess up my smooth ride. Sometimes it seems inconsistant. |
Wolf 3D v3.1
PRO's: Hand controller More intuative interface than E6K, IMO. Great Software Easy to tune CON's: Not much support Hard to find MAPS No real datalogging No Boost vs. RPM tuning, only % LOAD vs RPM Difficult Cold Idle Memory Cartridge can only hold 1 MAP Still a great EMS though |
Originally Posted by Suds' date='Mar 28 2003, 01:25 AM
E6K
Pros: Real easy to install, a weekend or so (I am 16); Easy to tune; Flexible; Love the control it gives me Cons: I guess there are timing issues? Crappy at high vaccums. ******* Vac --> Boost crossover leanspots really mess up my smooth ride. Sometimes it seems inconsistant. |
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Its my first experience in installation and tuning of an ecu, so that is to be expected. |
the only TEC2 on this forum?
PRO: ignition acuracy, data logging, wideband feature CON: TOG formula is difficult to get perfect also the only MOTEC on this forum? half way installed, just finished the harness for FD PRO: super high resolution tuning capability CON: super expensive https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/tongue.png |
Originally Posted by Suds' date='Apr 22 2003, 10:07 AM
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Its my first experience in installation and tuning of an ecu, so that is to be expected. mike |
I have PFC
PRO- easy as hell to use, datalogit allows dataloging and more tuning, Commander is very handy, seems to work quite well CON- A/C has issues, as in rarely works. Pretty common problem with several solution but not really any 100% satisfactory fixes. |
Originally Posted by onboost' date='Apr 22 2003, 10:20 AM
the only TEC2 on this forum?
PRO: ignition acuracy, data logging, wideband feature CON: TOG formula is difficult to get perfect also the only MOTEC on this forum? half way installed, just finished the harness for FD PRO: super high resolution tuning capability CON: super expensive https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/tongue.png pro: no need to upgrade ignition system, company is located within driving distance (of me) con: almost no support, but the people who know...really know, tune on the fly, sometimes freezes an injector open (no buffer) |
Im running Autronic.
Pro's: This ecu kicks ass! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683894.gif Timing Acccuracy, datalogging, traction control, antilag, etc, etc, etc. Price is very affordable. It's basically a motec at half the price. Con's: NONE... |
i thought autronic can't do split timing ?
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Autronic SM2 does split timing...
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i stand corrected https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png
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Power FC
Pros: Pretty straight forward easy install. Car started and ran with base map and ran better than before. Got rid of AFM. Most of the pros for Power Fc have already been listed. I really love mine, I can see all the sensor information and can make changes on the fly to any of my settings. I don't have to spend thousands of dollars on guages because of the Monitor function. Any sensor upgrade that is done makes the PFC even more accurate. Cons: The manual sucks!! Not a great deal of support but enough. Not a lot of people have one in there FC so I am lonely out here with sharing specific information. Chaning to a whole new map via the commander takes a long ass time and only buying datalogit will cure this. |
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