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gmonsen 10-29-2002 11:40 PM

its getting cold in the northeast. we have had sleet and hail tonight and the temperature is about 28 degrees right now here in eastern pennsylvania. i want to remind everyone that winter brings cold air and that means denser air, which will lean out your air fuel ratios and increase both power... and the chance of detonation!



the reason for this may be apparent to everyone, so i apologize to those who already know all about it for wasting bandwidth. but i suspect that many who are newer to rx7 and rotary ownership may not know how this can effect modified cars. denser air means that for a given amount of time, more air is taken in than when the temperatures are higher (warmer) and the air is less dense. many of you may have already felt the effects of this, since your car will pull better and have noticeably more pwoer in the winter months. however, the reason for this is that the air fuel ratio has changed. it has "leaned out" and you are now running a much leaner A/F than you tuned your car to in the summer months.



if you can get access to a wideband lambda meter, get your car hooked up and adjust the air fuel ratio back to where you want it to be. you'll see on your first check that its leaner than you thought. just bump up your injector duty cycles or, if you don;t have an aftermarket computer, and have a rising rate fuel pressure regulator, increase the gain a little bit. bith will richen up your air fuel ratios and you'll be safe for the winter. then, readjust it in the sp[ring. -gordon

vosko 10-30-2002 08:40 AM

excellent idea another good idea is if in doubt turn down the boost.... if possible!

j9fd3s 10-30-2002 11:04 AM

we are waiting for it to get cold so we can go to the dyno and tune, thanks gordon



mike

Fd3BOOST 10-30-2002 03:10 PM

Good reminder for those who don't see it as common sense..



Thanks for the participation Gordon.

9BASE3 10-30-2002 09:45 PM

Thanks Gordon!

neevosh 10-30-2002 09:53 PM

How big of a difference have you noticed?

nocab72 10-31-2002 12:20 PM

The base modmap air temp correction map is way off for moded cars (actually none of the maps we've tested provide enough correction for colder temps to maintain a close ARF if tuned during warmer weather).



We've seen cars which were turned to 11.2 during 70 degree

days get as lean as 13.5 on 40 degree days.



I'll try to get some "ballpark" correction factors posted in the next week so those datalogit users can "check" their correction #'s.



k

neevosh 11-01-2002 12:38 AM

I don't really trust the stock air temp sensor. It's located on the bottom of the UIM and it seems like it's very prone to heatsoaking, and slow to react to temp differences. It seems that the problem is that once it heatsoaks, it's reads high temps. So then when you start moving and getting some cool air through the intercooler, your charge temps could be around 30C, but the sensor is still reading around 50C.

MAZDAROTARYPOWER 11-13-2002 04:53 PM

well that's one of the things i noticed when i first got my FD almost 2 years ago. in the winter the car would blow the tires off through the first 2 gears and spin a little bit going into 3rd and pull harder than ever. i wonder what times i could get if run it in this cool weather vs. the 95+ degree heat day august 01' when i ran my best time ever ?

Lost Time 11-13-2002 09:49 PM


Originally Posted by neevosh' date='Oct 31 2002, 10:38 PM
I don't really trust the stock air temp sensor. It's located on the bottom of the UIM and it seems like it's very prone to heatsoaking, and slow to react to temp differences. It seems that the problem is that once it heatsoaks, it's reads high temps. So then when you start moving and getting some cool air through the intercooler, your charge temps could be around 30C, but the sensor is still reading around 50C.

For that exact reason I'm having my air temp sensor installed in my ic pipe right before the TB. It should be done tomorrow and I'll be able to see exactly how much the stock location contributed to heatsoaking. I'll post back here when I have some results.


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