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The FD Rox!
I had a chance to go on a 330 mile drive through Arkansas on HWY 20...Pretty much like taking your car on a rollercoaster ride. On the drive were 3 FDs and 1 STI...My buddy with the STI is a good driver and I was able to hang with him through all the corners...When I was in front at one time I was able to pull ahead a little...Granted I have a single currently with about 380 and he has a stock STI (intake only) but still! Here's a little video we took of the drive. Kinda bumpy and shakey in parts but was really fun.. Our 10 year old (soon to be 11 yo) cars friggin rock! Dave VIDEO |
Argg, I should be in that video! I think I mentioned to you that the previous owner of my FD won 4 diviosional championships in ASP class in SCCA. These cars can handle!!
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STIs aren't that fast... they are 300 hp, 300 ft-lbs, 3200 lbm with a mcpherson front suspension and semi trailing rear.
FD is 255 hp, 235 ft-lbs (I think), 2858 lbm with double control arm front and multilink full rear... The FD could be said to be a more advanced platform than the STI, even if you factor in the fancy differentials of the STI. |
What are you runing for suspention?
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Originally Posted by Mazdabation' date='Dec 22 2004, 03:07 PM
Stock R2 Shocks and H&R Sport springs. |
im 7 minutes into the video and the blue pace car hasn't pulled out of the way yet!!!! what kind of sick joke is this !! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683827.gif
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fd is a race car, turned street car, sti is a family car, turned fast family car. I like the sti, but when it comes down to it, it's not even the same ball park.
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Everyone always zooms in!! When ever I have someone in car I tell them to resist the tempatation to zoom.
Cool vid. Be honest. The last 3 minutes or so, the video was sped up wasnt it? Still looked like a really fun road. I am really looking foward to Dragins Tail now. Thanks for sharing. |
Yeah it looked sped up. The FD's pulled away!! aweseome!
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Originally Posted by Jims5543' date='Dec 22 2004, 05:00 PM
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Cool vid. Be honest. The last 3 minutes or so, the video was sped up wasnt it? Still looked like a really fun road. I am really looking foward to Dragins Tail now. Thanks for sharing. yep...sped up by 160% |
Nice cars. All three Fd's silver? It looks like one or two might be gray?
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Originally Posted by Jims5543' date='Dec 22 2004, 05:00 PM
I know exactly what you mean! I can't wait for April! |
Originally Posted by mazdadrifter' date='Dec 22 2004, 03:51 PM
fd is a race car, turned street car, sti is a family car, turned fast family car. I like the sti, but when it comes down to it, it's not even the same ball park.
uh...STi is a race car sold on the street, its meant for rallying and therefor has to perform on a number of different types of surfaces, ie: dirt, gravel, sand, snow, ice, and tarmac. The RX7 is totally meant for the street/racetrack. It is a far better handling car out of the box on tarmac than an STi. But the STi, like the WRX, are homologation chassis meant to allow the Impreza to compete in the WRC, and due to their success, are sold as a regular part of the lineup. When was the last time you saw an FD on gravel? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/tongue.png Dont get me wrong I love the FD, hence me wanting to buy and build one, but if you look at what they are built for, the STi is actually a better all around performer and has much better build potential (as in you can build it for track or rally or touring or rallycross etc). |
Originally Posted by Fd3BOOST' date='Dec 23 2004, 11:03 PM
1-gray 1-montego blue<---me https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683473.gif |
Nice vid, I enjoyed every Sean Paul second of it. LOL
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Originally Posted by wannabe-rotary' date='Dec 25 2004, 11:19 PM
uh...STi is a race car sold on the street, its meant for rallying and therefor has to perform on a number of different types of surfaces, ie: dirt, gravel, sand, snow, ice, and tarmac. The RX7 is totally meant for the street/racetrack. It is a far better handling car out of the box on tarmac than an STi. But the STi, like the WRX, are homologation chassis meant to allow the Impreza to compete in the WRC, and due to their success, are sold as a regular part of the lineup. When was the last time you saw an FD on gravel? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/tongue.png Dont get me wrong I love the FD, hence me wanting to buy and build one, but if you look at what they are built for, the STi is actually a better all around performer and has much better build potential (as in you can build it for track or rally or touring or rallycross etc).
there's no such thing as an "all around" racecar. fd was built to go fast on the pavement, sti is a comprimise of all kinds of different racing surfaces, therefore it isn't profecient at any of them. I guess we can start calling ford focuses racecars that are sold on the street as well. |
Originally Posted by Srce' date='Dec 26 2004, 03:28 AM
i think i would have enjoyed the vroom pshhh better |
Originally Posted by 94touring' date='Dec 22 2004, 11:36 AM
Argg, I should be in that video! I think I mentioned to you that the previous owner of my FD won 4 diviosional championships in ASP class in SCCA. These cars can handle!!
Yeah, I'll go too next time.. Hey ProjectD this is 93Rx7R1 from humble, if you still need someone to fill in, I'm your man https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png |
I love the "WRX is a rally car!" mentality, while true, I think...wait yes...I'm postive...all the roads I drive on are paved.
LOL It's fine and all that the WRX shines on snow/dirt/gravel but seriously...when am I going to race one on there? Never? Right. Seriously though, I think the WRX makes the best backup DD to an FD, heck, if my pocket was big enough, I'd have one. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png |
Originally Posted by ambassador_josh' date='Dec 27 2004, 05:27 AM
Yeah, I'll go too next time.. Hey ProjectD this is 93Rx7R1 from humble, if you still need someone to fill in, I'm your man https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png
Cool. I'll let you know when we have another cruise. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...O_DIR#>/v2.gif don't know when that will be though https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blush.png |
i agree the wrx is a geat dd in the northeast
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well by no means was I saying the STi or WRX was a superior car, if it sounded that way it was probably ego https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png j/k. And to Mazdadrifter, there IS such a thing as an "all around racecar" and those are RALLY cars. They are designed to race well on a variety of surfaces, including switching from multiple types of surfaces during the same, multi-stage race. The arguement can be made, of course, that they are not actual race cars out of the box, afterall, they dont come with roll cages, Teratrip monitors, internal communication systems, fire supression, and...oh wait, thats all they would need to compete in any non Group 8 class rally. (Group 8 is FIA WRC). Just like all an RX-7 really needs to compete legally in almost any kind of road/track race is a cage and basic saftey stuff, the WRX/STi is built to be as close to a rally car out of the box as you can get. With its active diffs and torque transferring ability they can rotate and even drift like a RWD car amazingly well, considering their weight, and that they DO have "Compromises" (not to be confused with "comprimise." As for the Ford Focus...bad analogy, weak arguement. The ford focus street car (not counting the Euro RS) are all FF cars with weak motors. The WRX/STi are using the same AWD chassis 2.0 motor and independent suspension out of the factory that the full blown WRC cars are based on. Thats the differnece: For a car to qualify for WRC use, it has to have at least a 2000 a year production build of an identical chassis, hence "homologation model/car/chassis" Also why there are the Focus RS's available in Europe. If i was going to race on a track, i would definately take a FD or FC (maybe) over a WRX/STi, but if i was doing ANYTHING else that might involve the slightest non-paved road (especially living in alaska hahaha) I would drive,race, and bulid the WRX/STi chassis, which ive done. And know im moving on to the RX7, im very unbiased in the view point of the two cars, no matter what it might sound like, but the racing history speaks for itself, 3 consecutive wins in the WRC, 5 total wins, 8 years of non-stop podium finishes, all based off the street going homologation car. WRX's make great DD, but my RX7 will be like the mistress, ya gotta keep her for the special occasion.
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Originally Posted by wannabe-rotary' date='Dec 29 2004, 07:08 AM
well by no means was I saying the STi or WRX was a superior car, if it sounded that way it was probably ego https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png j/k. And to Mazdadrifter, there IS such a thing as an "all around racecar" and those are RALLY cars. They are designed to race well on a variety of surfaces, including switching from multiple types of surfaces during the same, multi-stage race. The arguement can be made, of course, that they are not actual race cars out of the box, afterall, they dont come with roll cages, Teratrip monitors, internal communication systems, fire supression, and...oh wait, thats all they would need to compete in any non Group 8 class rally. (Group 8 is FIA WRC). Just like all an RX-7 really needs to compete legally in almost any kind of road/track race is a cage and basic saftey stuff, the WRX/STi is built to be as close to a rally car out of the box as you can get. With its active diffs and torque transferring ability they can rotate and even drift like a RWD car amazingly well, considering their weight, and that they DO have "Compromises" (not to be confused with "comprimise." As for the Ford Focus...bad analogy, weak arguement. The ford focus street car (not counting the Euro RS) are all FF cars with weak motors. The WRX/STi are using the same AWD chassis 2.0 motor and independent suspension out of the factory that the full blown WRC cars are based on. Thats the differnece: For a car to qualify for WRC use, it has to have at least a 2000 a year production build of an identical chassis, hence "homologation model/car/chassis" Also why there are the Focus RS's available in Europe. If i was going to race on a track, i would definately take a FD or FC (maybe) over a WRX/STi, but if i was doing ANYTHING else that might involve the slightest non-paved road (especially living in alaska hahaha) I would drive,race, and bulid the WRX/STi chassis, which ive done. And know im moving on to the RX7, im very unbiased in the view point of the two cars, no matter what it might sound like, but the racing history speaks for itself, 3 consecutive wins in the WRC, 5 total wins, 8 years of non-stop podium finishes, all based off the street going homologation car. WRX's make great DD, but my RX7 will be like the mistress, ya gotta keep her for the special occasion.
i've heard technical directors from wrc teams speak about wrc cars on pavement and how much modification they need to convert to tarmac. they've said themselves that wrc cars aren't designed for pavement and to run on pavement they have to make compromises. maybe i should have clarified, a "competent" all around racecar. Because technically, i can race my diesel jetta, on dirt, pavement, snow, ice, you name it. that doesn't mean that i'd ever be sucsessfull, or even win a race. I guess my bicycle could be an all around race bike too, if i put a 5hp briggs and straton on it. I'm not sure what your trying to prove at all by drawing this out, but you've said it yourself an rx7 is a better pavement racing platform for paved roads (which the video was held on). If you want to start arguing better daily drivers then i'd have to say that my 50+ mpg diesel jetta is a better dd, but i guess that's just opinions now isn't it? |
not trying to prove anything, just debating a point.
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Nice vid my friend Ran an Sti on the dyno ran 284 whp not bad Id have to say. One of my other friends derek has the new wrx impreza not sti. he said it runs around 240 hp.
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Cool Vid, makes we wanna go out for a drive! But oh wait...damn it I live in the uk and its pi**ing down with rain! Wish I lived in the US! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png
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Originally Posted by wannabe-rotary' date='Dec 25 2004, 11:19 PM
uh... its meant for rallying and therefor has to perform on a number of different types of surfaces, ie: dirt, gravel, sand, snow, ice, and tarmac. ....
everyone has the misconception that just because it shares the same a platform that its a wrc car... modifications are required... as any car to run a particular motorsport... it certainly does has an advantage over the seven with its seasonal drivetrain..... |
The video was nice, the zooming was definitely kinda annoying cause it made it so jumpy. I'm sure like all the others, I would have preferred to hear the car noises rather than the music... but still it was a nice video.
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Got her back Cyan, ready when you are, and I bet 94t will come along too
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Originally Posted by ambassador_josh' date='Jan 16 2005, 05:01 AM
i think we are visiting you today https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png Don't you just love unannounce visitors. You may have 4 FDs show up at your pad https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png |
Sweet. I'll see you guys later today. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif
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