I was just curious what kind of numbers does the FD put out on the skild pad and slalom and im not saying this which car is better, but if you put a Mazda Speed Protege and and FD which one in your fair honest opinion handles better? What about a S5 TII and MS protege in that same scenerio. (I know thats out of topic for this thread sorry.) Just curious. This is no vs. thread lol.

yeah me and him were just discussing this because the stock numbers on a msp are 72mph in the slalom and .88G on the skidpad and we are trying to compare to a rx-7 just out of curiousity since i know they have excelent handling characteristics but the msp has some of the best factory FWD handling numbers of all times. This did all stem from me driving a NA 86 FC with tokico illuminas in the rear and eibach springs all the way around and it just did not feel as if is handled as well as my car.

I think the MSP is more fun than my fc, although the limits are lower.

I do think that the protege has great handling, well at least the mazdaspeed one, but the FD is King. I have had 3 FC's and they handle OK from the factory, but the FD is much better.

[quote name='Red Suns' date='May 24 2005, 09:56 PM']I was just curious what kind of numbers does the FD put out on the skild pad and slalom and im not saying this which car is better, but if you put a Mazda Speed Protege and and FD which one in your fair honest opinion handles better?....


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FD: 5.5 sec. 0-60 mph

14.0 in 1/4 mile



braking:

60-0 mph: 123 ft.

80-0 mph: 222 ft.



skidpad: .94 g

slolam: 64.9 (not sure of the specs on this)



Source: ROAD & TRACK 4-92

Those skidpad numbers sound right. But the slolam sounds low. lol.

[quote name='Red Suns' date='May 25 2005, 11:56 AM']Those skidpad numbers sound right. But the slolam sounds low. lol.


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They sounded a bit slow to me as well, but I don't know what the spacing was for the cones. Over the past 13 years they may have increased. Also remember that these are ROAD & TRACK figures, not MAZDA'S, and were on OEM tires and stock suspension.



To answer you original question (and it's not meant as a criticism of the MSP), IMHO, the FD would still beat it like a rented mule. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/BURNOUT.gif

LOL You need numbers to know if an FD will out-handle a MSP? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif



I've read as high as .98 on the FD (stock JDM though I believe), and it only gets better as you mess with the suspension and go with stickier tires than stock...

[quote name='PhoenixDownVII' date='May 25 2005, 03:20 PM']LOL You need numbers to know if an FD will out-handle a MSP? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif



I've read as high as .98 on the FD (stock JDM though I believe), and it only gets better as you mess with the suspension and go with stickier tires than stock...


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basically lol. take a drive in my car and even with "only" coilovers a strut tower bar and some worn out Pilot sport tires but even this setup would murder a MSP.





But again keep in mind.... If i was going up against a MSP and the driver of it was professional.. I would get eaten. So tell your friend it's up to the better driver as well https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683473.gif

Well ,I knew the FD was really good at the handling. Probally one of the best handling in the world, but, I just really wanted the numbers. lol



what about the S5 TII? Just curious in your opinion would that have an edge and where could I find those numbers?



- thanks

yeah i didnt have too much doubt in my mind the FD would be better plus i defiantly think it is sexier than my MSP. I was just mostly curious due to the high number on the MSP on how it stacked up against the best mazda ever had to offer. It just stands to show though that mazda has their stuff dialed in when it comes to handling between the FD, RX8, Miata, and MSP

Keep in mind, slalom times and cornering speeds aren't the end all of handling.



What we do know, and can testify, is that physics prove a lighter, well balanced RWD car is one of the best platforms for speed through the corners.



In the end it's what you feel and gain confidence with at the wheel. I have a friend with a Type R (one of the BEST FWD cars in reference to handling) I get to drive quite often and the difference is still there. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/cool.png

[quote name='PhoenixDownVII' date='May 26 2005, 12:37 AM']Keep in mind, slalom times and cornering speeds aren't the end all of handling.



What we do know, and can testify, is that physics prove a lighter, well balanced RWD car is one of the best platforms for speed through the corners.



In the end it's what you feel and gain confidence with at the wheel. I have a friend with a Type R (one of the BEST FWD cars in reference to handling) I get to drive quite often and the difference is still there. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/cool.png


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ITR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! any pics? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.png

[quote name='rotary_pwr' date='May 26 2005, 05:41 PM']ITR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! any pics? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.png


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http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...MXk1NDE%3D.jpg

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...MXk1NDE%3D.jpg

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...VII/TypeR3.jpg

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And my baby:

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Woot! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683894.gif

actually one of the highest recorded skid pad numbers on a street car with street tires was a Skyline at the Tire Rack proving grounds, hardly lightweight but it does have all wheel drive

[quote name='PhoenixDownVII' date='May 26 2005, 11:56 PM']

And my baby:

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Woot! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683894.gif


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Nice monster truck pictures ya got there https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.png https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

[quote name='nopistons94' date='May 27 2005, 09:07 AM']Nice monster truck pictures ya got there https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.png https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif


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Aww, you must be SO proud cause you just lowered yours a week ago.



They don't come 4x4'd from the factory, fool. It's when you go 17-18's without dropping the car at all that you can give me the 4x4 comment.



I've actually been told my car sits slightly lower than other stock FD's. I guess the Koni Adjustables made it lower a bit.



Almost though, nice try. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif



Another photo showing off my "truck" https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/dry.png https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/wacko.png https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.png



http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...MXk1NDE%3D.jpg

^Very nice Phoenix. That's a nice setting too. The colors on the barn in the background look good with the MB. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/bigthumb.gif

[quote name='Signal 2' date='May 27 2005, 01:42 PM']^Very nice Phoenix. That's a nice setting too. The colors on the barn in the background look good with the MB. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/bigthumb.gif


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Thanks, yea I noticed that and thats why I took the pic. And that pic there amongst others in person is how I got the "your car looks lower than stock settings" comments. Minus the nopenis rotard.

[quote name='PhoenixDownVII' date='May 27 2005, 12:26 PM']Aww, you must be SO proud cause you just lowered yours a week ago.



They don't come 4x4'd from the factory, fool. It's when you go 17-18's without dropping the car at all that you can give me the 4x4 comment.



I've actually been told my car sits slightly lower than other stock FD's. I guess the Koni Adjustables made it lower a bit.



Almost though, nice try. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif



Another photo showing off my "truck" https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/dry.png https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/wacko.png https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.png



http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...MXk1NDE%3D.jpg


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Don't cry penisdown.. I was just kidding with you. I know you don't spend money like that on stuff.... But we all have our own decisions so.. Just let me know when you wanna go 4 wheelin' https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683894.gif





oh and where is that barn at? I didn't see it in your backyard

[quote name='nopistons94' date='May 27 2005, 11:36 PM']Don't cry penisdown.. I was just kidding with you. I know you don't spend money like that on stuff.... But we all have our own decisions so.. Just let me know when you wanna go 4 wheelin' https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683894.gif

oh and where is that barn at? I didn't see it in your backyard


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I know you were kidding, I suppose I did the same, even though I totally WON!!111!!



Barn is at the shop where we did that Reman swap for my friend's FC, in New Paltz.



You're still gay.