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RotaryRevolution 05-05-2006 05:14 PM

ok, so my car was fine one day and then later that night something horrible happened. At idle my car is 100% fine. Then when i tried to drive it home it would lose all power around 2500-3000rpm and if i tried to continue accelleration it would backfire excessively like it has a limiter set at that rpm range. What could be the problem? I have no clue at this point, my best guess is some computer tuning issue, but what has me confused beyond belief is how it happened so suddenly.



as for modifications..... im running with an apex power fc for management, also.... stock engine, 15,000 miles...intake, 3in downpipe, centerpipe, and catback. brand new stock spec spark plugs. fluidyne radiator, fluidyne oil cooler, greddy front mount intercooler, new stock injectors, walbro fuel pump....



any help would be greatly appreciated...

Veritas 05-05-2006 08:25 PM

Hrmph woulda said check for limp mode for the ECU but you've got a powerfc so i have no idea if it even HAS a "limp mode" to go into:P Any boost leaks you're aware of?



T.c.

RotaryRevolution 05-06-2006 04:36 PM

there shouldnt be any... hopefully.... i did just reconect all the ic piping and checked most of the lines i was around previous to other work...has anybody experienced this w a power fc?

Brainfire 05-09-2006 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by RotaryRevolution' post='817722' date='May 6 2006, 10:36 PM

there shouldnt be any... hopefully.... i did just reconect all the ic piping and checked most of the lines i was around previous to other work...has anybody experienced this w a power fc?



Not with a power FC, but I had EXACTLY the same symptoms with a stock ECU - was 'stuck' at roughly 2500rpm, popping, backfiring, etc, and it happened suddenly - pulled the codes from it and it said Oil Metering Pump AND TPS! Swapped both of them out, but rather stupidly never changed one out first and then tried it - anyhow, it worked a treat. Is there a limp mode with a Power FC? I really don't know...

j9fd3s 05-09-2006 09:44 AM

i had a stock ecu do that same thing, fuel pump resistor relay, it would cut at 1psi

RotaryRevolution 05-15-2006 02:41 AM

ok, so i guess the idle is a little off as well now, 1000-1500rpm...... ok so now it could be the oil metering pump, the TPS, fuel pump resistor relay, bad injectors or bad connection somewhere, vacuum leak, ah too many options, oh well though, better than being stuck in the dark completely.... ill get to checking these all asap, thanks for the help so far, hope this can be fixed soon...

Brainfire 05-15-2006 02:53 AM


Originally Posted by RotaryRevolution' post='819255' date='May 15 2006, 07:41 AM

ok, so i guess the idle is a little off as well now, 1000-1500rpm...... ok so now it could be the oil metering pump, the TPS, fuel pump resistor relay, bad injectors or bad connection somewhere, vacuum leak, ah too many options, oh well though, better than being stuck in the dark completely.... ill get to checking these all asap, thanks for the help so far, hope this can be fixed soon...



I don't know very much at all about the technical side of the RX, but was thinking of getting a Power FC for mine - I think I've went off the idea now since you can't pull ECU codes from it like the standard ECU. I wouldn't have known where to start without the fault codes from the ECU to be honest - wouldn't it be easier to put the standard ECU back in the car if you have one and get the fault codes from it, as the vehicle is definitely in limp mode? I don't know how much work is involved in this, but wouldn't think it would be as much as trying to check the myriad of things that it could be without as much as a pointer in the right direction.

GreyGT-C 05-15-2006 03:53 AM

#1 typical problem on FD? Survey says:



Check you MAP sensor hose. It's on the firewall right behind the throttle body. Check for kinks, cracks, it being popped off or a family of haitian refugees living inside of it.





While you are at it.. Disconnect the battery and press the brake pedal for about a minute. Reconnect the battery cables and see if the problem stills exists. That is how you reset the ECU to take it out of "limp mode"

rx7girltk 05-15-2006 02:58 PM

I have the same problem but mine occurs at 4-5k rpms.

rx7girltk 05-16-2006 02:21 PM

If I reset the ecu will all the information that has been changed be reset also?

Brainfire 05-17-2006 12:58 AM


Originally Posted by rx7girltk' post='819546' date='May 16 2006, 07:21 PM

If I reset the ecu will all the information that has been changed be reset also?





Are you talking about a stock ECU here? You can't change settings on a stock ECU... elaborate a bit?

rx7girltk 05-17-2006 08:40 AM

I'm sorry I have a power fc.

charliegt 05-18-2006 02:33 AM

I'd make sure that your pfc didn't get reset (I'm assuming that you've done some tuning since you have a completely open exhaust). I don't know if pfc shows engine trouble codes, but if it doesn't - put the stock ecu back in and see if anything shows up.



Check the MAP sensor (like someone already said) and make sure it isn't unhooked.



If you have a fuel pressure gauge you can hook that up to test the pump/relay/relay (speed)/resistor/regulator/ect.



-Charlie

Judge Ito 05-18-2006 07:04 AM

sounds like the oil metering pump.

Shank 05-23-2006 06:10 PM

I have the same problem...but may car is also hard to start and it will not idle. It seems like the top two spark plugs wont spark, they are brand new. I also lost about 50 percent of my power. It all happened so suddenly...any other suggestions to what this could be?

DeformityX 05-30-2006 02:18 AM


Originally Posted by Shank' post='820754' date='May 23 2006, 07:10 PM

I have the same problem...but may car is also hard to start and it will not idle. It seems like the top two spark plugs wont spark, they are brand new. I also lost about 50 percent of my power. It all happened so suddenly...any other suggestions to what this could be?



Check your coils and just about everything else in your ignition system.

lgjp2631 06-03-2006 06:42 PM

very weird i had the same problem after installing my power fc and it would seem like it was hard to start and almost seem like fuel cut or something with a pop sound around 3800-4500.i was looking at the little harness around the ecu harness . the 1 that has a relay and a blue connector and 2 white connectors.i switched the 2 white and looped them now it is fine.the car gets right up no problems except it takes 2-3 cranks to start. if any 1 has a pic how they should go please send me a pic.thanks, jason lgjp2631@aol.com

lgjp2631 06-03-2006 06:45 PM

sorry didnt mean to high jack your thread just experiencing the same problems.did any 1 get thier cars tunned after the power fc install? i didnt but this sunday i am.thanks for your time, jason

ryanrx007 06-06-2006 02:19 AM

Had the same problem exactly. What you need to change is the metering oil pump. Before i changed it i tried everything, everything was fine......



Change the metering oil pump and you'll be flying again........ https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683473.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683473.gif

smells_like_poo 06-21-2006 01:34 PM

Did you have the car tuned before you put in the Walbro pump? When I put in my pump after I got I tuned it did the same thing you were saying. When I took it out there wasn't any problems.

herblenny 06-22-2006 07:14 AM

my guess is that its something to do with the turbo since it happens as when primary kicks in..



I don't quite understand how OMP has to do with loosing power. Unless its dumping crap load of oil, which I think you will see oil burning behind.



Also, tell us what kind of boost you see? And does your secondary kick in??

Brainfire 06-22-2006 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by RotaryRevolution' post='817636' date='May 5 2006, 10:14 PM

Then when i tried to drive it home it would lose all power around 2500-3000rpm and if i tried to continue accelleration it would backfire excessively like it has a limiter set at that rpm range.



Believe me, it's in limp mode, and only a few things can cause this, the OMP being a favourite one... there's nothing wrong with your turbo's or anything else, but it's easy to see how it can appear to be things like turbo's, fuel supply, etc...

herblenny 06-23-2006 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Brainfire' post='825446' date='Jun 22 2006, 04:56 AM

Believe me, it's in limp mode, and only a few things can cause this, the OMP being a favourite one... there's nothing wrong with your turbo's or anything else, but it's easy to see how it can appear to be things like turbo's, fuel supply, etc...



I thought PFC you don't have to worry about OMP and running in limp mode?

Danomite 07-05-2006 08:51 AM

any suggestions on where to get a new OMP..local dealer wants almost 2k for a new one.


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