I got my new drivers side window instaqlled today. It cost $158.25. Thanks to the assholes who broke it when they broke into my car last week. Don't let me catch you!!! Sorry still a little discruntal. I ordered my E6K today and it is already in the mail. It should get here soon. I guess this makes me feel a little better.

yah soon life will be good



mike

Forgot to mention that the Haltech cost $1,588.25. I think that that is the most I've ever spent in one day on my car.

wow, i feel https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/happy.png on the price i got it for... Did u get the flying lead or terminated harness? E6k right? Whats all included?

i paid around that for my E6K from rx7.com..... i am impatient

I got mine for 1300.

That includes the fully terminated harness, 3 bar map, and o2 sensor. Yes it's an E6K.

Vosko: I got tired of waiting too. The last guy I talked to said it would take a month to get it to me. So I ordered mine from RX7.com.

ummm, what is a haltech???

like the best engine management system

hardly, it doesnt even support knock retard... perhaps you're thinking motec or electromotive?

GOOOOD, I didnt know that!

yeah its not the best, but you don't need anything more than a e6k unless you are running a 20b or have $$$ up the ass. Knock sensors are believed to be Bs anyhow.... Thats a lot of ppl's view on them, that they don't really work, and go off at the wrong time, I haven't too many people using them. I have actually seen a lot of really fast (under 10s sec) drag cars using the E6k, always cool to see that https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/happy.png

they go off when they sense knock, it has it's negatives, because it will sense other things as knock when your motor is not detonating, and in those cases it will retard timing and make less power, annoying, yes, damaging, no.



now consider the system that has NO knock retard support, you will not have the annoying cases where the knock sensor picks up false knock, ok, great, but you won't have **** watching your ass when you detonate. bad.



It's not perfect, it's a safety net with some overhead, and personally, it's probably much more reliable in a rotary engine than any piston motor because we don't have half the noises a piston motor does, if a knock sensor gets knock, it's probably detonation on our motors. no valvetrain noise or piston slap here.



given the sensitivity to knock in a rotary engine, and the relatively low level of ambient noise our engine internals generate, I'd say lack of knock retard is a big ****** negative for a rotary when it comes to standalone engine management. Especially if you're boosted.



Turbo? get a tec3.



really fast drag cars running e6ks? sure, I never said anything regarding the e6k's capability to put a rotary into low times, it is perfectly capable of engine management. But unless you're going to do all your tuning on a dyno, I hope you have knock retard.

true, I had asked awhile ago all the big dogs about knock sensors and every said to save my money for better things, and if you spend 100x on a standalone i hope you dyno tune https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png I actually plan on getting a wideband o2 and running that 24/7. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif

I was under the impression widebands dont last long on the street.

they don't, they have a limited lifespan.



also using just an o2 to tune your car isnt exactly the safest thing, although a wideband has a nice range for tuning, you still have a relatively slow response time... the o2's you see on your gauge from the wideband are a bit lagged from whats going on in the engine at the current moment.



A knock sensor has much less lag in it's response to knock, a world of difference compared to an o2 telling you when you go lean and YOU (a human) responding. Personally, I'd spend the extra money on a TEC3 when I consider how much I spent on my engine and time to put it in, and wire the ecu. If it could just possibly save me a rebuild because of knock retard.

AAAHHH forget about Haltech. Go motec. Who needs money anyway? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

anyone got info on the microtech? support for knock retard?

the problem with KNOCK RETARD IS if it knocks enough it can cause the trailing to fire before the LEADING!!!! that is very bad! i have no problems with my E6K. hell i even purchased a tec III and later sold it. if i had to do it all over again i'd probably go with a TEC III or a nice Motec . i have no complaints about my E6K though.... i run my FJO wideband full time. hell it uses a civic 5 wire O2 it will last a LONG time https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

how would that happen? wouldnt it retard the trailing ?



yeah that doesnt make much sense to me at all vosko, it shouldnt be any different from retarding the timing manually by turning the CAS for instance, and it would be just a few degrees probably unless you've got some serious problems.

the autronic systems do knock retard, they have a self learning, and trction control, but no leading and trailing split



mike

well a J&S can only retard leading. as far as i know they can only do leading ? but i could be wrong

well a J&S can only retard leading. as far as i know they can only do leading ? but i could be wrong [/quote]

tec3 != j&s

well a J&S can only retard leading. as far as i know they can only do leading ? but i could be wrong [/quote]

tec3 != j&s [/quote]

i don't think TEC III or any other EMS can do 100% knock retard on a rotary.... i could be wrong

well a J&S can only retard leading. as far as i know they can only do leading ? but i could be wrong [/quote]

tec3 != j&s [/quote]

i don't think TEC III or any other EMS can do 100% knock retard on a rotary.... i could be wrong [/quote]

i'm not really sure either, it would be nice to have some sort of warning though



mike

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/index.php?...hl=knock+sensor



I bumped my old thread up so we could get some more input

Wow!! Ummm!!! I'm not sure what to think now. I wish I knew about this before hand. I guess I didn't do enough research. I'm sure when Steve Kan tunes my car he will do a great job, but I'm a little worried about the fuel that I get in this town. I always run 93 octane but I don't think that it's the gratest. Is there a way that I can ensure that the fuel in my car is good? If I add some octane booster will it help to clean up the fuel so that I don't experience bad knock?

'octane booster' only increases your octane by a few points, so like, adding one bottle to a tank of 93 will make it like 93.2 or something, it's relatively useles...



adding significant amounts of xylene or toluene can make a huge difference though, this archive is kindof interesting:

http://www.eng-tips.com/gpviewthread.cfm/q.../lev2/6/lev3/35

that second guy was right, a couple years ago vp103 was only like 3.80 a gallon delivered to your house



mike

Umm that was like going back to chem class in highschool. I didn't understand a word some of those guys said, but I got your point that octane boost is a total waste of money and time. From now on I will run 93 octane and if I plan on doing some serious racing I will mix it with some race gas or just run race gas.