https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif im woundering about that because, the chip has to be soldered in and it mods the ecu (you all know that) and then i would be tricking it into doing something else with the S-AFC II (you all know that too) and i dont know if that would make sense to do that... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.png Would i just be throwing my money away https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif or would it be a wise investment https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683329.gif .

You would be basically using the SAFC to fine tune your car. The chips do a really nice job on giving your car a nice fuel and ignition curve, but every car is different and may want a little extra fuel somewhere, or some taken out.



You should save your money if you dont have the SAFC yet, becuase your about ready to dish out $500 for the both of them, you should just buy a greddy e-managment for that price and its completly adjustable. And I think you can do ignition adjustments also.

just get the safc and a fcd

[quote name='drftk1d' date='Aug 20 2005, 08:00 PM']just get the safc and a fcd


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Also a good choice if your car isnt too modified. I have a FCD for sale, $25.

can you get those on ebay

could the safc be used to program the emanage or would i have to use something else... if so then what?

The emanage is the closest thing you can get to a standalone system. It is a piggyback that can adjust all your fuel and I think that it does ignition also. You program it with a laptop.

so with the emanage i dont have to put it fuel maps and all that stuff do i. i just hookup to it and program it with my laptop

You do have to do fuel maps, just like you would with a SAFC, its just that you would progam it with a laptop.



I would suggest that you just go with a SAFC. They work really well. Plus, it syas you have a NA RX. Why do you even need a chip on a NA? Just go with a SAFC.

i just want to get as much as i can out of my ecu without going with a stand alone so i figured the jetchip would be best cause i thought the safc would do the same thing to the ecu with a jet chip. and since the jet chip is reprogramed for a better f/a ratio and then i use the safc on it so i can get more out of the ecu.

Dude, you have a NA. Unless you have a huge port and are really pushing alot of power, there is no need for a standalone. Just get a SAFC. You also have to realize that a chip will not be perfect. As I said in the other post, every car is different, so it will not be perfect. The SAFC will allow you to tune your car and not have someone else guess what your car needs.

Ahh who says you dont need a standalon on a stock port car. I have seen acouple guys pick up up to 40 hp with a stand alone. Saf-c's are primative at best, yeah they get the job done for beginers, but part throttle is the biggest thing I had problems with out of my car. For example if you let out of the gas to quick it would die, if you floor shifted it, it would act funny, and just other stupid things like that. A standalone you have more control over everything. But for beginers yes a S-AFc is great, emanages are complicated and confusing to use I would stay away unless you know someone that already has a base map.

Would an E-manage even fit and/or work on a N/A ECU?

[quote name='Leetheslacker' date='Aug 22 2005, 10:53 PM']Would an E-manage even fit and/or work on a N/A ECU?


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it should work with any kind of fuel injected vehicle.



the e-manage gets spliced into the harness between the engine and ECU.

You could also get a megasquirt for about the price of a SAFC, and the newest version has fuel and both leading a trailing spark controll. I do think there is benifits to be had over the stock ECU, other than fuel controll the stocker has less than optimal ignition curves. There is power to be had by adding a standalone.

you can get a megasquirt for $200 ?

[quote name='drftk1d' date='Aug 27 2005, 04:50 PM']you can get a megasquirt for $200 ?


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Total I have spent so far for my Megasquirt, solder, LM1815 chips (for interpriting the CAS) is right at $167. Thats including wire...because I get it for $.01/ft from here at work.

I think they are 300 preassembeled.