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Baldy 07-30-2003 10:19 AM

Whenever I hit a bump, it seems as if the rear end swerves to one side or the other. At first I thought it was because the tires were wider, but geez, sometimes I'm afraid it's going to cross into the other lane (depending on bump size). I haven't noticed in change in handling on turns (except if I hit a bump). And it seems as if I can't get the car to go in a straight line, like I'm always correcting. I'm pretty sure I need an alignment, but what about the rear wheels?

FCmaniac 07-30-2003 10:48 AM

sounds like those bushings... if it started happening all of the sudden and its bad like you said, go under it and check the lateral links, rear shocks and mounts too... check everything.. doesn't sound safe at all.

Baldy 07-30-2003 11:06 AM

not really all-of-a-sudden, but more post-5-lug-swap, which is why I'm thinking those bushings. So, am I right in thinking that those bushings can cause the rearend to do that?

FCmaniac 07-30-2003 11:14 AM

you're right... I think you should check everything though. How are your rear shocks?



On one of my 86's (5 lug), I had the same problem of the "floating rear" and it happened over every bump... it was a combo of the bushings and the rear shocks being shot. Just by putting in new rear shocks, it made it 100% better.

Baldy 07-30-2003 11:16 AM

I'm pretty sure all my shocks are bad, and I planned on replacing them sometime in the future ($$, you know). But it didn't float until after I did the swap. While I was under there, I didn't notice anything to worry about, although I should probably jack it back up and make sure everything is still toight.

1Revvin7 07-30-2003 11:46 AM

My buddies 7 did that, it was the bushings..

j9fd3s 07-30-2003 11:54 AM

i would make sure all the bolts are tight, 2 rights dont make a left you know

1Revvin7 07-30-2003 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s' date='Jul 30 2003, 11:54 AM
i would make sure all the bolts are tight, 2 rights dont make a left you know

yup, happened to my dads g/f. A bolt back there was not tightened in the suspension...

j9fd3s 07-30-2003 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by 1Revvin7' date='Jul 30 2003, 08:56 AM
yup, happened to my dads g/f. A bolt back there was not tightened in the suspension...

yah, my friend too, gd took his car to aligned and they left the bolts loose!

Baldy 07-30-2003 12:35 PM

another question: can those particular bushings be changed on the car, or do I have to take those SOB hubs off again?

FCmaniac 07-30-2003 01:59 PM

take those swine out

Baldy 07-30-2003 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by FCmaniac' date='Jul 30 2003, 02:59 PM
take those swine out

ok, banzai informed me that the hubs can be removed from the halfshafts with a dead-blow hammer. How are they replaced? Do they just shove back on, or do I need something special?



and just for clarification, is a dead-blow hammer like a rubber mallet?

FCmaniac 07-30-2003 03:12 PM

I dont know, I've never done it https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



just read about it here and the Mazdatrix write up.. I need to but it looks like such a bitch I don't want to deal yet https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...O_DIR#>/11.gif

Jerk_Racer 07-31-2003 03:49 AM

THose bushings are old and are junk. Replace them with some Delrin bushings and be very happy. Mazdatrix has them for about $40. That rear steer crap wasn't even good when it was new. Add about 15 years or so and well over 100,000 to the rubber and that'll add up to junky bushings.

pengaru 07-31-2003 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by Baldy' date='Jul 30 2003, 07:05 PM
ok, banzai informed me that the hubs can be removed from the halfshafts with a dead-blow hammer. How are they replaced? Do they just shove back on, or do I need something special?



and just for clarification, is a dead-blow hammer like a rubber mallet?

they come off pretty easy, and putting them back together is even easier, you just put the splined shaft back into the hub as far as you can by hand and when you torque down the nut it pulls it all back together again. The hardest part on my car was removing the nut the first time, was rusted on enough to make the impact fail.

Baldy 07-31-2003 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by pengaru' date='Jul 31 2003, 06:24 AM
[quote name='Baldy' date='Jul 30 2003, 07:05 PM'] ok, banzai informed me that the hubs can be removed from the halfshafts with a dead-blow hammer. How are they replaced? Do they just shove back on, or do I need something special?



and just for clarification, is a dead-blow hammer like a rubber mallet?

they come off pretty easy, and putting them back together is even easier, you just put the splined shaft back into the hub as far as you can by hand and when you torque down the nut it pulls it all back together again. The hardest part on my car was removing the nut the first time, was rusted on enough to make the impact fail. [/quote]

great info. I'm sure mine will come off easily, because I had a shop remove it not too long ago. This actually makes me feel much better about doing this.

Baldy 07-31-2003 07:37 AM

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is this the location of the bushing in question?

pengaru 07-31-2003 04:55 PM

yes.



I have the process documented photographically here:

rb rear steer eliminator bushings install photos

RX7Aggie 07-31-2003 10:26 PM

yeah, i've had my derilin bushings sitting in the box for the last 2 months b/c i dont have to tools to change this crap out, and i know my mechanic will charge over $200 to do it, so i'd rather save the money and do it myself.



question: how do i torque the hub bolt back down to 490 ft-lbs? how do you measure that, my wrench only goes to 150 lol

RX7Aggie 07-31-2003 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by Baldy' date='Jul 30 2003, 09:19 AM
Whenever I hit a bump, it seems as if the rear end swerves to one side or the other. At first I thought it was because the tires were wider, but geez, sometimes I'm afraid it's going to cross into the other lane (depending on bump size). I haven't noticed in change in handling on turns (except if I hit a bump). And it seems as if I can't get the car to go in a straight line, like I'm always correcting. I'm pretty sure I need an alignment, but what about the rear wheels?

yeah, i can't drive over 55 mph when the highway is wet b/c mine are so worn, i almost loose control from random fish-tailing.



i want to get this done before next semester autox with a&m scc...

pengaru 07-31-2003 11:17 PM


Originally Posted by RX-7Aggie' date='Aug 1 2003, 03:26 AM
yeah, i've had my derilin bushings sitting in the box for the last 2 months b/c i dont have to tools to change this crap out, and i know my mechanic will charge over $200 to do it, so i'd rather save the money and do it myself.



question: how do i torque the hub bolt back down to 490 ft-lbs? how do you measure that, my wrench only goes to 150 lol

I don't remember the torque value from the fsm but whatever it is, you can use simple leverage to multiply your torque.



if it's say 400 ft-lbs, you can take a rachet, and use a pipe, the measure the distance from the pivot to your weight, and multiply your weight accordingly... say if you weigh 200lbs, and hang off the pipe, you can go 2 feet out to obtain 400 ft-lbs. get it?

RX7Aggie 08-01-2003 01:04 AM

yeah, i get it, ghetto, but i guess that will have to work



and after looking at mazdatrix's writeup, it doesn't look too bad. although i dont really want to cut off my dust shield, and i dont want to have to pull off the hub



any suggestions?

pengaru 08-01-2003 01:10 AM

I don't remember cutting anything.



I don't consider using a lever to multiply torque as 'ghetto', it's intelligent.

RX7Aggie 08-01-2003 02:43 AM

its relatively intelligent, although ghetto compared to using an air wrench/rachet/whatever with a specific torque setting on it

Baldy 08-01-2003 08:14 AM

wow, that will really help me out in the future. Thanks for the info!

rfreeman27 08-01-2003 09:22 AM

i dont see why its ghetto either. Its a good way to measure it when you have no other means. And at that level it does not have to be exactly on the mark.

Baldy 08-01-2003 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by rfreeman27' date='Aug 1 2003, 10:22 AM
i dont see why its ghetto either. Its a good way to measure it when you have no other means. And at that level it does not have to be exactly on the mark.

Just because it's not using a special tool, with precise increments (although you could actually be precise), someone might think it's ghetto. I think that would work great, especially if you have a breaker bar marked in feet, and you know your own weight.

banzaitoyota 08-01-2003 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by RX-7Aggie' date='Aug 1 2003, 01:04 AM
yeah, i get it, ghetto, but i guess that will have to work



and after looking at mazdatrix's writeup, it doesn't look too bad. although i dont really want to cut off my dust shield, and i dont want to have to pull off the hub



any suggestions?

ITS NOT "GHETTO", its basic physics 101. BTW, it is a QA Approved procedure to use torque multiplying devices for Nuclear Level I,II and III as well as SUBSAFE LEVEL work.

Cheers! 08-01-2003 12:50 PM

i don't think it's 400 ft/lbs... i think its 230 ft/lbs.



i can't remember... iahve the bushings sitting on my desk for the past 3 months as well, i need to change the rear bearings at the same time.


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