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vosko 04-03-2002 12:19 AM

best et of the night

rt .641

60 ft 2.002

330 5.905

1/8 9.143

MPH 75.49

990 11.842

1/4 14.247

MPH 97.09



this car can definetely run a high 13 i just need to learn how to drive it a little better https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

treceb 04-03-2002 06:33 AM

It definately can see 13s. Is the exhaust opened up yet. if it isnt that might be your ticket. if it is, get new tires.



where was this. on a tuesday nite. anyone goiung to e-town tonite? my friends is taking his POS 86. I believe his best time last year was 15.8. lucky bastard.

jmseven7 04-03-2002 01:15 PM

what RPM's are your launching at?

vosko 04-03-2002 01:26 PM

dropping the clutch at 7000 rpm

13BAce 04-03-2002 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by vosko' date='April 03 2002,14:26
dropping the clutch at 7000 rpm

Why not 8500? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/devil.gif

jmseven7 04-03-2002 01:35 PM

Feather it off the line at 5500 RPM. It is when you start to build maximum torque. Your 60' is the prob. Practice on your launch....that is the only way to get under 14 seconds.



Oh....shift point should be @ 6900 rpms. That is when your HP's start to drop off.



Let me know if it works.

vosko 04-03-2002 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by 13BAce' date='April 02 2002,14:31
[quote name='vosko' date='April 03 2002,14:26']dropping the clutch at 7000 rpm

Why not 8500? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/devil.gif[/quote]

tach only goes to 8000 https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif

vosko 04-03-2002 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by jmseven7' date='April 02 2002,14:35
Feather it off the line at 5500 RPM. It is when you start to build maximum torque. Your 60' is the prob. Practice on your launch....that is the only way to get under 14 seconds.



Oh....shift point should be @ 6900 rpms. That is when your HP's start to drop off.



Let me know if it works.

my fastest run my car hopped to a 2.00 60ft and i shifted at 8000 rpm real hard. i just stayed in 3rd gear and wound it out. whenever i did anything else, i got 14.6's all day long. i'm also going on the limitless drag racing advice of judge ito :thumbsup: which helped drop me from 14.6 to 14.2 just by changing driving style. if i could shift as fast as him i could get a 13.9.... i just need more practice!

jmseven7 04-03-2002 02:21 PM

After I had my car dyno'd, I did the 5500rpm feather launch and shift @ 6900rpm (close to it)...I ran a constant 13.9 @ Sears Point, Sonoma, CA. That was about 5yrs ago. I still have the time slips...somewhere...



See my attachment for the dyno results.

vosko 04-03-2002 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by jmseven7' date='April 02 2002,15:21
After I had my car dyno'd, I did the 5500rpm feather launch and shift @ 6900rpm (close to it)...I ran a constant 13.9 @ Sears Point, Sonoma, CA. That was about 5yrs ago. I still have the time slips...somewhere...



See my attachment for the dyno results.

what mods did you have ?

13BAce 04-03-2002 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by vosko' date='April 03 2002,14:38
[quote name='13BAce' date='April 02 2002,14:31'][quote name='vosko' date='April 03 2002,14:26']dropping the clutch at 7000 rpm

Why not 8500? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/devil.gif[/quote]

tach only goes to 8000 https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif[/quote]

You could always throw in an NA tach.

1Revvin7 04-03-2002 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by vosko' date='April 03 2002,11:26
dropping the clutch at 7000 rpm

That is just carzy, i have tried 5500, and i just sat there smoking tires, and i didn't even try my Q-mile cuz my 0-60 was like 15sec, i have toyo summer tires too, so its not like i have shitty tires. I can't believe u launch @ 7000, with my G-tech my best times were launching @ 3-3 1/2k. What happens when u luanch @ 7k?

1Revvin7 04-03-2002 03:01 PM

do u have a camcorder? nopiston.net https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

jmseven7 04-03-2002 03:04 PM

Okay...this was all old school:



GSL-SE secondary injectors (I think they were 660's?)....flowed by RC Engineering

RB 3" turbo back

ITG intake

Ported wastegate

RB Light steel flywheel, w/street & strip clutch

New mounts...every where

Mazdatrix strut bar w/torque brace



I did all the major OEM replacement to keep it totally (almost) stock.



Oh, my computer was programmed by Hideo of Trust USA R&D. He did it before they hired him.



One last thing...that was on street tires..Dunlop M2(?) back then. My suspension was fab'b by Ground Control...I dont remember the spring rates.



Thats about it. It was a really simple set up. I had proved this set up on another friends T2.....w/o the computer reprogram....instead we used the 1st gen FCON.

jmseven7 04-03-2002 03:06 PM

1Revvin7...



That is why you have to feather the clutch off of the line.

____



Oh...in regards to my friends time...it was almost identical.

vosko 04-03-2002 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by jmseven7' date='April 02 2002,16:04
Okay...this was all old school:



GSL-SE secondary injectors (I think they were 660's?)....flowed by RC Engineering

RB 3" turbo back

ITG intake

Ported wastegate

RB Light steel flywheel, w/street & strip clutch

New mounts...every where

Mazdatrix strut bar w/torque brace



I did all the major OEM replacement to keep it totally (almost) stock.



Oh, my computer was programmed by Hideo of Trust USA R&D. He did it before they hired him.



One last thing...that was on street tires..Dunlop M2(?) back then. My suspension was fab'b by Ground Control...I dont remember the spring rates.



Thats about it. It was a really simple set up. I had proved this set up on another friends T2.....w/o the computer reprogram....instead we used the 1st gen FCON.

so why did you sell this TII ???? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

jmseven7 04-03-2002 04:55 PM

You know....marriage. It was an extra car. I had to sell it to get more cash for my house. My wife thought it was best to sell it since, I was not using it. She also told me when the time comes I could get another one.....



That is why I want to sell my Vert to get another T2. I really do not want to get rid of it...but, I also need a pick up. So selling the vert...I get 1 pick up and 1 T2....a better trade off.



I know it sounds funny...but it was the deal I made with my wife....damn women.

vosko 04-03-2002 05:36 PM

understandable..... to some https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

1Revvin7 04-03-2002 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by jmseven7' date='April 03 2002,13:06
1Revvin7...



That is why you have to feather the clutch off of the line.

____



Oh...in regards to my friends time...it was almost identical.

u mean let off slowly right? When i first got my 7, on the G-tech again, w/ a 200lb friend my car did 0-60 in 7.4 every time with feathering from idle @ no more than 1/2 throttle until it got going. That is the fastest i have ever got my car to do 0-60, becuz thats back when i had some more low end power, and 6 ports working! Now i just burn rubber through first and a good long screech going into 2nd and a chirp in 3rd. Thats why i need some big tires liek 13BAce. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



i couldn't even imagine even feathering that high, even though yes i was just drop clutching @ 5500 https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/devil.gif I'll see what feathering does that high.

vosko 04-03-2002 09:24 PM

according to the gtech i got my GTU to do 6.6 0-60 i don't think that was right....

1Revvin7 04-04-2002 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by vosko' date='April 03 2002,19:24
according to the gtech i got my GTU to do 6.6 0-60 i don't think that was right....

how much wheelspin though?

jmseven7 04-04-2002 08:47 AM

You should try to control the wheel spin. Spinning the wheels slows you down.



Feathering....it is both, the clutch and the throttle. You will need to keep the rpms @ 5500+ on the launch. You should be constantly controlling both. The FEEL is the most important thing. Practice, Practice, Practice....



I had taken 2sets of clutch to get it right....it was expensive but, it was worth it.....cost of racing you know.



I trully believe that the type of clutch you use is very important. For us turbo car street users..a good type of material should be used. I had used kevlar and liked it alot. It acutally helped my clutch system work better. It also felt better during a launch. AND the big plus was that my flywheels was scorned...I had gone though 2 flywheels...copper pucks (very bad) and Ferrodo material (very good for everyday use, but still warped the flywheel due to the heat that was generated).



I hope that helped....

jmseven7 04-04-2002 08:50 AM

Oh...to add. I also gained more input from motorcycle drag racing. They teach you how to control throttle and clutch during take off...it is the same concept. To much throttle lifts the front wheels.....too much clutch kill rpms...etc, etc.



It is all about balance.



If you have a drag racing class in your area...take it. It is worth the money.

1Revvin7 04-04-2002 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by jmseven7' date='April 04 2002,06:47
You should try to control the wheel spin. Spinning the wheels slows you down.



Feathering....it is both, the clutch and the throttle. You will need to keep the rpms @ 5500+ on the launch. You should be constantly controlling both. The FEEL is the most important thing. Practice, Practice, Practice....



I had taken 2sets of clutch to get it right....it was expensive but, it was worth it.....cost of racing you know.



I trully believe that the type of clutch you use is very important. For us turbo car street users..a good type of material should be used. I had used kevlar and liked it alot. It acutally helped my clutch system work better. It also felt better during a launch. AND the big plus was that my flywheels was scorned...I had gone though 2 flywheels...copper pucks (very bad) and Ferrodo material (very good for everyday use, but still warped the flywheel due to the heat that was generated).



I hope that helped....

thats how i used to do it but i forgot how over the winter, when it was in storage so i just use the begginer way of drop clutchin :dontgetit: .

jmseven7 04-04-2002 02:46 PM

vosko...



You know. Just by looking at your MPH...your are right there. If can run 101-103 MPH, you are in the high 13's.



I constantly ran those number and always hit it.

vosko 04-04-2002 06:16 PM

my n1 catback should be here next week. so i should def be in the 13's with that and the manual boost controller https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

jmseven7 04-04-2002 09:39 PM

As long as you have the boost cut removed....boost 10lbs.

vosko 04-04-2002 09:42 PM

i have a panspeed light tuned sport ecu which is AMAZING. the car runs great with it. right now i'm at about 210rwhp according to physics with low boost and stock catback!!!!!

1Revvin7 04-04-2002 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by vosko' date='April 04 2002,19:42
i have a panspeed light tuned sport ecu which is AMAZING. the car runs great with it. right now i'm at about 210rwhp according to physics with low boost and stock catback!!!!!

what do u mean according to physics? :dontgetit:

jmseven7 04-04-2002 10:25 PM

new exhaust and up the boost...220+ hp....13's...your there.

vosko 04-04-2002 11:49 PM


Originally Posted by 1Revvin7' date='April 03 2002,23:14
[quote name='vosko' date='April 04 2002,19:42']i have a panspeed light tuned sport ecu which is AMAZING. the car runs great with it. right now i'm at about 210rwhp according to physics with low boost and stock catback!!!!!

what do u mean according to physics? :dontgetit:[/quote]

http://www.turbofast.com.au/Drag.html



put in total weight *you + car* for me 3100 lbs and time 14.2

you get 210 rwhp!



you must put total weight and it gives you rwhp https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

vosko 04-04-2002 11:50 PM


Originally Posted by jmseven7' date='April 03 2002,23:25
new exhaust and up the boost...220+ hp....13's...your there.

my n1 catback and greddy manual boost controller should be here next week. saturday i'm putting on a lower mileage stock turbo, it might be a garrett upgraded turbo https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png getting rid of acv and some other little maintenance things. i'm gonna run the car sunday with my m&h racemaster tires. 13's should be had sunday https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

jmseven7 04-05-2002 01:10 AM

let us know what the results are.... :cool:


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