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kindahusky 07-16-2011 12:22 PM

So I recently became the new owner of an 1986 Rx7 with a complete S5 swap. From what the previous owner told me and from what I've seen so far the swap was done the hard way and all S5 components were used and the wiring harness swapped and modified.



The car came with the Pineapple racing ACV block off, a BACV blockoff, rats nest removed, tein s-techs, tokico shocks, some no name strut braces, aftermarket seats (i had to build custom brackets to get a decent fit) and a Walbro 255. Also the 6-port stuff was disabled (smog pump is gone and the exhaust is a straight pipe from header to two cans in the back)



Since i've owned the car I've replaced the three manifold gaskets, the front cover gasket, water pump gaskets, injector o-rings, removed and cleaned the 6 port sleeves, repaired and cleaned up the wiring, replaced the clutch slave and master cylinders, replaced the thermostat,added a double groove pulley to the alternator and flushes and refilled all the fluids. I also removed the rats nest and re-sealed and capped all the unused vacuum ports.



Since completing all of this and re-timing the car my cranking and idle has increased dramatically. The car revs freely to redline when the clutch is depressed of the car is out of gear. MY problem though is while under load the car breaks up and stumbles badly when trying to accelerate. It doesn't stop at 3500 rpms like i've read about. In fact it will rev to redline under load but only gradually at very little throttle. IT will not rev at full throttle under load and shudders if to much pedal is applied.



I've read about tps and the grounding issues but i've already spent a month getting the car this far. I don't want to waste more time chasing the wrong problems



If anyone has had this issue and can point me in the right direction with my next repairs/ troubleshooting I'd greatly appreciate it

RicerJ 07-16-2011 04:09 PM

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kindahusky 07-16-2011 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by RicerJ (Post 849301)



I've been thinking about parting it since I'm not a big fan of gold packages



Also I was thinking, if anyone knows, since the car revs to redline while not in gear can I rule out TPS and focus on grounding and maybe fuel?

kindahusky 07-16-2011 06:12 PM

OK went ahead and cleaned/sanded crude off of the factory grounds and added a second 4 awg ground to the negative battery terminal. Seems to have helped some but now a new problem has shown up. As the car warms up the acceleration problem returns. It's almost like once the car gets to temp the timing jumps out of whack.

kindahusky 07-16-2011 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by RicerJ (Post 849301)





lol i've give the badge to the person that figures this out XD

RicerJ 07-16-2011 06:57 PM

lol so the ecu and everything from a s5 is used?

kindahusky 07-16-2011 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by RicerJ (Post 849306)
lol so the ecu and everything from a s5 is used?



yeah as far as I know. The whole engine harnees is bulky now because everything has two plugs. Looks like all the sensors and stuff now have s4 and s5 wiring. (s4 plugs just hang there) Supposedly the car was running fine before he had the front cover off to fix a leak. He thought it was a CAS problem, i'm thinking its timing, temp, or tps problem

RicerJ 07-16-2011 07:53 PM

reset the timing and check the ecu number

kindahusky 07-16-2011 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by RicerJ (Post 849308)
reset the timing and check the ecu number



where can I find part #s that correspond to S5 ecu's?

kindahusky 07-16-2011 09:04 PM

I'm going to try and reset my timing again but there are no marks on the pulley. The last time the timing was set I



removed the front two plugs,

turned the rotors until and apex seal was visible in the top hole

marked the pulley at the timing pin

turned the rotors until the apex seal was visible in the bottom hole

marked the pully again at the pin

measured the diameter of the pully

measured the distance between the two marks

split the difference and made my mark (yellow dot)



I just thought of something, do I need to do this for the rear rotor as well to get my "red" dot?



Is there a more precise way of finding the timing mark on a pully without one? Does the keyway on the IS represent TDC?

kindahusky 07-16-2011 10:55 PM

Also does anyone know if there's a way to test/meter a CAS to make sure it's within spec?

RicerJ 07-17-2011 04:25 AM

http://fc3spro.com/TECH/FAQ/ecutype.html for ecu numbers and yes you can test the CAS with a volt meter as far as the specs are i cant tell you off the top of my head id have to look or you might find it in the fsm

RX-7racer 07-18-2011 10:07 AM

try replacing the water temp sensor on the back of the water pump housing. when i first got my car it ran like ****, we replaced the CAS, injectors, MAF, pressure sensor, TPS, re did grounds fixed wiring and it still ran like ****, basically as if the timing was off. aslo it only did it when the car was warmed up. someone told us to replace that sensor and it cleaned up immediately. so it was just a bad sensor. i dont know why that sensor caused it to run like **** but after replacing it the problem was fixed

kindahusky 07-18-2011 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by RX-7racer (Post 849354)
try replacing the water temp sensor on the back of the water pump housing. when i first got my car it ran like ****, we replaced the CAS, injectors, MAF, pressure sensor, TPS, re did grounds fixed wiring and it still ran like ****, basically as if the timing was off. aslo it only did it when the car was warmed up. someone told us to replace that sensor and it cleaned up immediately. so it was just a bad sensor. i dont know why that sensor caused it to run like **** but after replacing it the problem was fixed



thanks for the reply, I had wondered about this as well. I'll try this along with re-timing the car.



Are there any aftermarket gauges that will read from the stock sensor or that are more accurate than the factory or should I just use a aftermarket guage and sensor alongside the oem?

RicerJ 07-18-2011 03:10 PM

just run a aftermarket gauge and remember always run oem t-stats

RX-7racer 07-18-2011 11:12 PM


Originally Posted by kindahusky (Post 849356)
thanks for the reply, I had wondered about this as well. I'll try this along with re-timing the car.



Are there any aftermarket gauges that will read from the stock sensor or that are more accurate than the factory or should I just use a aftermarket guage and sensor alongside the oem?

i dont know of any aftermarket gauges that will work with the stock sensor. there may be some but using an aftermarket gauge with its own sensor would be the simplest route. there are many aftermarket gauges that you can run with their own sending unit, they all will be much more accurate than the stock gauge. all you would need to do is find a place to mount the sending unit (by either drilling and tapping a hole, buying an adapter that requires cutting the water hose, or theres other options) you can run the aftermarket gauge along with the stock one, each using there own respective sending unit.

kindahusky 07-21-2011 08:56 AM

woot reset the timing and did the sensor grounding from aaroncake's site and now the car runs like normal......but my front cover is leaking oil. I'm sick of working on this thing. Classes start in 3 weeks and I need a ride for school that I don't need to sink any more money into. If anybody wants a S5 swapped rx7 in the OKC area shoot me an offer or trade

RicerJ 07-21-2011 05:26 PM

i think the front cover has a seal replace that and you should be fine

mazdaspeed7 07-22-2011 08:21 AM

Lose the walbro! It flows too much for the stock FPR, raising your fuel pressure, and dumping extra fuel on an engine that runs too rich in factory trim. Sell the walbro, drop in a stock n/a fuel pump.



The front cover gasket is an easy fix. Just read the instructions carefully do you dont drop the thrust bearing when you pull the front pulley hub.


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