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RicerJ 02-08-2009 03:18 AM

ok so i want your guys opinion on whats a better series 7 s4 or s5 pros and cons to each please this is going to play a factor in what im going to get

j9fd3s 02-08-2009 12:49 PM

just get the nicerest car you can find....

mazdaspeed7 02-08-2009 01:51 PM

S5 - newer, updated electronics, updated engine. Hard to find a lsd in a n/a, and the viscous ones in the turbo(and n/a if you can find it) suck

s4 - better LSD, more common on n/a models. Doesnt have automatic seatbelts





Ive had 2 s4's and half a dozen S5's, and Ive always liked the s5's better.

RicerJ 02-08-2009 02:21 PM

so your saying the ones in the turbo suck as well? for s5

mazdaspeed7 02-08-2009 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by RicerJ' post='916277' date='Feb 8 2009, 03:21 PM
so your saying the ones in the turbo suck as well? for s5





Yes, all S5 LSD's were viscous. Viscous LSD's require a a change in wheel speed before they start to lock up. Accelerating out of a corner, the diff feels almost like a rubber band being wound up as it starts to lock up. The clutch type in the S4 feels more predictable and consistent.

RicerJ 02-08-2009 03:59 PM

im going to see if i could find a t2 s5 otherwise ill have to do a swap since im going for something very new for me (rwd/rotary/turbo?)

Nateb123 02-08-2009 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by mazdaspeed7' post='916278' date='Feb 8 2009, 01:20 PM
Yes, all S5 LSD's were viscous. Viscous LSD's require a a change in wheel speed before they start to lock up. Accelerating out of a corner, the diff feels almost like a rubber band being wound up as it starts to lock up. The clutch type in the S4 feels more predictable and consistent.



Couldn't you just change to a more viscous clutch fluid? It seems like it would solve your problems since it would take less time to "wind up". That said, a clutch could still be more predictable due to the mechanical rather than fluid nature of it. Haven't been able to find it anywhere, but how many clutch plates are there in the S4 LSD?

mazdaspeed7 02-08-2009 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by Nateb123' post='916291' date='Feb 8 2009, 06:02 PM
Couldn't you just change to a more viscous clutch fluid? It seems like it would solve your problems since it would take less time to "wind up". That said, a clutch could still be more predictable due to the mechanical rather than fluid nature of it. Haven't been able to find it anywhere, but how many clutch plates are there in the S4 LSD?





The LSD unit is permanently sealed. There is no way to change the viscous fluid, or even rebuild the diff if it becomes damaged.

RONIN FC 02-08-2009 05:58 PM

S5 looks a little nicer, Id pick up a clean S5 if i was looking for something like a regular driver or a mild build.

Nateb123 02-08-2009 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by mazdaspeed7' post='916295' date='Feb 8 2009, 03:07 PM
The LSD unit is permanently sealed. There is no way to change the viscous fluid, or even rebuild the diff if it becomes damaged.



Ouch, that sucks. Is that the case for the S4 pieces as well? Seems silly since clutch LSDs wear out fairly quickly.


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