Im bored today and thought after I lift I might as well go out and change the oil it's due for a change in 1k or more but...oh well im changing oil. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png What oil & filter do you guys use?Ive been using Castrol GTX 20W/50 with a FRAM Tough Guard or Mazda OE oil filter.

Castrol GTX 20w50



Fram is garbage, I always buy Mazda OEM filters..



But last time this discussion came up, Mazda's OEM filters were compared to Fram, which made me think about buying different filters... ?

Anyone else agree with colin that FRAM is garbage?



I got the FRAM Tough Gaurd...I still have the receipt! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



Other filters besides Mazda OEM & FRAM?Which other ones?

fram is **** dont buy another one. If you have enough miles on it just get a new mazda one.

im just curious how everyone is basing that Fram is ****?



Its like the number 1 filter out, is everyone with a Fram wrong

or is everyone else spreading internet advice?

im doing some searching myself, apparantly there is a web page

where some guy ripped open all these different filters, and he

didnt have nice things to say about frams, lol



I never buy them anyhow, I always used Purolater filters in my DD

and OEM mazda filters in my RX7 and mazda 6

doing more reading up, like everything else, at one time

it was good, now its ****.



I guess the name sells itself

According to that review, the fram X2 is good but that's like $10. You can get a K&N for that price. I think the old school orange Frams have a following over the years that just doesnt go away.. brand loyalty.

Here's another write up Rob x-7 found https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif



http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/oil_filter_study/



Thx

good articles.. I'll stick with Purolator and oem Mazda

And NOT fram like I mentioned then, eh? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

Used to do Mobil 1 15-50 with a Mobil 1 filter



Now I do Amsoil 20-50 race oil and I use thier dual remote filtration system

1 more question for you guys.Do you use different oil in winter then in summer?

Don't mean to steal the topic but while we're talking about oils ... Does anyone use Royal Purple Synthetic?

off topic, but Fluke I've been staring at your avatar with a smile on my face for the last 5 minutes.

it would be nice if people gave reasons to go along with what they say

I read that oil filter study not all that long ago..



They don't mention anything about Mazda OEM filters, someone mentioned in a thread that Fram's junk is comparable to OEM.. Which I doubt.. I was curious to see if anyone would comment on that..

how are the k&n filters??? has anyone tried em?



and yeah, fluke that avitar is rediclious.

my opinion is that if someone has the motivation to do multiple write ups about how shitty one certain brand of oil filter is, why would you take the risk? ****** no brainer to me. i'm not gonna talk **** but why even think about it?

Fram = Suck



Id shove a rag in that hole before I let a Fram filter my oil





Mobil1 20w50 and a Mobil1 filter

regardless the fact remains that millions of people use Fram filters

and do not blow up thier engines.



Just discussing this

Yes you do. You use a lighter weight oil for colder weather. Its easier on your engine.

Regardless, the fact remains that millions of people have torn apart fram filter only to find severely inferior build and filtering capabilities.





If millions of people jumped off a bridge, would you?





Its not like Im just spewing crap out here. Theres been research done. I thought everyone knew by now that fram makes bad filters.

Mobil One 20w50 Synthetic. I bought the fram because I did not want to wait for a damn OEM mazda oil filter to come in the mail. Fram filter is working fine for me. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

I have probably put 400 miles on it so far, and it has not given me problems yet.



Just prove that Fram filters have blown up engine because of filtration problems. Not that some guy in bumfucknowheres cracked open fram filters and said they sucked. That is a bunch of horseshit. But just conversating. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

some guys with nothing to do opened filters to see how they were made.

Millions of people tore apart Fram filters? Who are these people and what

makes them experts on filters?



some were made better then others, like anything else.

I work on boats, I take apart certain boats, both expensive

and cheap, and we shake our heads and cannot believe the

way they were made, does that mean they will not last?

Does it mean they will sink? Are they dangerous?



Are some cars not made better then others?

Are all tires the same?

that link is on the first page, it was a guy who tore them apart

and measured the surface area and how they were made.



There was no scientific test.



I am not disputing that Fram isnt the best out there, im just saying

your engine wont blow up from using it.

I use Purolator because I always have and read the articles that they were built better than Fram. Fram and Purolator are available at almost every auto parts store around here. I started using OEM after talking to people on this board that I trust with their knowledge of the cars and recommended it. That's my reasoning.



Rob, why do you use the filters you do?

Sorry rob. I guess that little bit of sarcasm was just too much for you.



Where did anyone say that frams blew up engines? I just said they suck ( which they do ).

Why are you even still posting in here asking for proof of frams destroying engines?

I use oem filters for no reason except I want the stock parts

under the hood.



I did decide that I was going to cut one open and measure it

and see what its made of and how its made.



Adam- I wasnt reffering to your sarcasm, I am only discussing.

I always say people spread info with no hard facts to back

them up.



So a couple of guys took some filters apart

and exposed that some were made better then others, was there

any actuall scientific studies done to show how the different

manufacturing process is better then another?

I was only saying that just because its made differently doesnt mean

its total garbage. Fram is a huge corporation, I still doubt they will

put out such a inferior product, honestly when I think about it, if

there was some kind of filter failure I would rather have cardboard

going thru my engine then metal parts from the filter end caps.

I use fram. Could care less if they are shitty or not. Oil should be changed when its dirty. Filter is just there to keep the big **** out. I have an 86 GTI, it had a fram on it when I bought it 2 years ago. It had ~300k on it then. Still going and still using fram. Why?....Why not.



Gregory

The idea here is the filter element design is flawed and lets the bigger pieces of junk go through to the 'clean oil' side! In some cases even the chunks of the cheap element break off and go through the 'clean oil' side!



All just because you don't want to go to a different store to pick up a filter for 25 cents more..



Did you even read the study GMON? Here's one of the highlights of fram's marvelous work: