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scrossm 08-06-2007 12:38 PM

I have an 89 RX7 non-turbo. My son and I bought it for him to drive in the autocross but we can't keep it running. Here are the symptoms:

Hard starting

runs very rich once started and over heats the CAT.

Will not idle

smooths out at about 3500rpm but sputters at lower rpm

no power

slight smoke out of the exhaust



What I have replaced

new O2 sensor

replaced plugs/ air filter



test I have run:

with a warm engine shut off, disconnected the upper 2 fuel injectors connectors and restart, will idle all day without over heating the CAT.

no smoke out of the exhaust



If I plug the injectors connectors and restart but keep the RPM below 3000 it seems to idle ok. Once it goes over 3000 it starts running rough at all RPMs.



I am thinking that there is a short to ground in the upped injectors someplace but I have not found it. I also thought it was the ECU but do not know how to test it.



Any other things that I am over looking?



Thanks

teknics 08-06-2007 12:42 PM

injectors are probably shot and leaking constantly. Hard starting is cause theyre flooding the engine while its off



I'd rec. Replacing them with new high quality ones.



Kevin.

scrossm 08-06-2007 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by teknics' post='879583' date='Aug 6 2007, 01:42 PM
injectors are probably shot and leaking constantly. Hard starting is cause theyre flooding the engine while its off



I'd rec. Replacing them with new high quality ones.



Kevin.

Can they be rebuilt? If I do get new ones I am seeing prices from $79.00 to $189.00 This is a stock motor would the $79.00 be ok?

teknics 08-06-2007 01:45 PM

79 is a fair price.



After re-reading your post though i sorta think you may be right about a possible short in the injector wiring, mainly because a leaky injector will leak even without a 12v signal. I would say get the car running with the secondaries unplugged and then check the voltage at the injector clips, they shouldnt be getting any voltage at under 3800rpms.



now i rethink again and I have a feeling it is the injectors themselves since you say you can reconnect them and it idles fine until you rev it over 3000rpms, I think ill stick with my original belief that the secondaries are clogged/leaking.



I dont know if theyre rebuildable i know they can be cleaned and blueprinted which I would imagine would fix them (normally they leak from have particles of dirt trapped in the pintle, etc).



check out marren fuel injection and injector.com lots of rx7 guys deal with them, they should be able to help you out, cleaning and blueprinting them is cheap IIRC, and if it was my car i'd get the primaries done while I was at it, kill two birds with one stone and all that.



Kevin.

scrossm 08-06-2007 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by teknics' post='879588' date='Aug 6 2007, 02:45 PM
79 is a fair price.



After re-reading your post though i sorta think you may be right about a possible short in the injector wiring, mainly because a leaky injector will leak even without a 12v signal. I would say get the car running with the secondaries unplugged and then check the voltage at the injector clips, they shouldnt be getting any voltage at under 3800rpms.



now i rethink again and I have a feeling it is the injectors themselves since you say you can reconnect them and it idles fine until you rev it over 3000rpms, I think ill stick with my original belief that the secondaries are clogged/leaking.



I dont know if theyre rebuildable i know they can be cleaned and blueprinted which I would imagine would fix them (normally they leak from have particles of dirt trapped in the pintle, etc).



check out marren fuel injection and injector.com lots of rx7 guys deal with them, they should be able to help you out, cleaning and blueprinting them is cheap IIRC, and if it was my car i'd get the primaries done while I was at it, kill two birds with one stone and all that.



Kevin.



Thanks for the reply and I will check them out.



Scott

Bastard 08-06-2007 04:45 PM

most of these issues are taken care of by cleaning or replacing the injectors





have you checked the ohm resistance in the injectors using a mulitmeter... you should have hi imp injectors. if the are in spec then check the signal while running. your secondary injectors should not be orperating until the 35/3800 RPM range... if there is power going to them under that range then you may have to fix the wiring or ECU

turborotor 08-06-2007 06:57 PM

If the secondary injectors are turning on at idle, that means there is some type of current going thru the wires. There should be no current at the injectors clip when at idle till about 3500 rpms. Something is making ground.

teknics 08-07-2007 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by turborotor' post='879621' date='Aug 6 2007, 07:57 PM
If the secondary injectors are turning on at idle, that means there is some time of current going thru the wires. There should be no current at the injectors clip when at idle till about 3500 rpms. Something is making ground.



see thats what I was contemplating. BUT he said when he reconnects the injectors the car will idle and run fine, then once he revs into the 3-4k rpms range it starts ******* up again.

So Im thinking his injectors are dirty and once they turn on then it causes the constant dripping, when he touches the injector it knocks the dirt a bit and the pintle closes stopping the leak.



but to be safe id double check the connections, even if your injectors arent the problem, theres no harm in getting 20+yr old injectors cleaned and blueprinted, no matter what they need it anyway lol.



kevin.

Baldy 08-07-2007 01:50 PM

I'd start with cleaning/recalibrating the injectors, rather than immediately buying new ones. I local turbo diesel shop cleaned mine, and they said that these types of injectors rarely break, they just need cleaning and recalibration to run well after many miles.

turborotor 08-08-2007 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by teknics' post='879699' date='Aug 7 2007, 11:15 AM
see thats what I was contemplating. BUT he said when he reconnects the injectors the car will idle and run fine, then once he revs into the 3-4k rpms range it starts ******* up again.

So Im thinking his injectors are dirty and once they turn on then it causes the constant dripping, when he touches the injector it knocks the dirt a bit and the pintle closes stopping the leak.



but to be safe id double check the connections, even if your injectors arent the problem, theres no harm in getting 20+yr old injectors cleaned and blueprinted, no matter what they need it anyway lol.



kevin.





Oh ok, I must of not read that completely.


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