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Rotarydragon 06-22-2002 07:53 PM

We sucessfully pulled the tranny out of UniqueTII's car and found the coolant leak. Yay for us! Things went pretty darned smoothly which of course means it's going to be hell getting it back together.



The throwout bearing didn't feel all that bad. this worries me a bit. How much play should there be in the fork for the clutch?



*ponders a TII upgrade....* https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

13BAce 06-22-2002 08:09 PM

Where was the coolant leak?

turborotor 06-22-2002 11:11 PM

Where was the leak?



The fork should rest on the ball thinggy with the spring to hold it in place. It shouldn't rattle but it should have good movement, is it bend or loose?



C

Rotarydragon 06-23-2002 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by 13BAce' date='Jun 23 2002, 03:09 AM
Where was the coolant leak?





Hose coming off of the rear rotor, the one that always breaks, is too small and is way to hard to replace if you don't have the intake off https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



Pretty much what I had guessed. It was in reallll poor shape.

Rotarydragon 06-23-2002 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by turborotor' date='Jun 23 2002, 06:11 AM
Where was the leak?



The folk should rest on the ball thinggy with the spring to hold it in place. It shouldn't rattle but it should have good movement, is it bend or loose?



C



Loose as all heck, I'll go out and look at it again here in a bit. And drool over his paint job.



Now my wife wants me to paint my car that color...



I want to make real sure we fix the problem before we put it all back together as it's not exactly something you want to do just for the heck of it. Alltho taking the upper intake off of a Turbo II is a lot easier then on an NA

13BAce 06-23-2002 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by Rotarydragon' date='Jun 23 2002, 09:23 AM
[quote name='turborotor' date='Jun 23 2002, 06:11 AM']Where was the leak?



The folk should rest on the ball thinggy with the spring to hold it in place. It shouldn't rattle but it should have good movement, is it bend or loose?



C



Loose as all heck, I'll go out and look at it again here in a bit. And drool over his paint job.



Now my wife wants me to paint my car that color...



I want to make real sure we fix the problem before we put it all back together as it's not exactly something you want to do just for the heck of it. Alltho taking the upper intake off of a Turbo II is a lot easier then on an NA[/quote]

Make sure that the ball and spring are in good shape.

turborotor 06-23-2002 09:27 AM

Since youare there, might as well upgrade the clutch and cover https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



Make sure the ball is still attached the trans.



SInce you are still there. check for any engine or trans oil leaks.



C

ILUVMY88CABRIO 06-23-2002 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by Rotarydragon' date='Jun 23 2002, 06:23 AM
Alltho taking the upper intake off of a Turbo II is a lot easier then on an NA

Really?!? It was WAY easier to do on my NA than on my TII. The NA only has like 4 vac lines goint to it, whereas the TII has like 20. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif

turborotor 06-23-2002 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by ILUVMY88CABRIO' date='Jun 23 2002, 10:32 AM
[quote name='Rotarydragon' date='Jun 23 2002, 06:23 AM']Alltho taking the upper intake off of a Turbo II is a lot easier then on an NA

Really?!? It was WAY easier to do on my NA than on my TII. The NA only has like 4 vac lines goint to it, whereas the TII has like 20. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif[/quote]

I agree with that. I always found the NA easier to take apart quickly.

Rotaryman88 06-23-2002 12:01 PM

It took me about an hour to take off my NA upper manifold, TB, and a/c bracket back when did my swap...but it was my first time taking an NA apart. I took my SE-X UIM and TB off yesterday in about 30min or so...no trouble at all...I guess it depends on what you work on more...I have a bunch of knowledge on NAs and how they work, but I have more Turbo experience...don't know how that worked out, lol....

Rotarydragon 06-23-2002 05:03 PM

I'd never touched a turbo till that day and it took me about 10 min to get it off give or take. Of course I've had the manifold off my NA a LOT over the last few...

ILUVMY88CABRIO 06-23-2002 05:07 PM

So did you get a chance to drive it before you ripped it apart?

Rotarydragon 06-23-2002 07:20 PM

Ohhh yeah. After about 3k in 1st gear it just flat throws you back in the seat and GOES. Gears of course were a bit rough but still manageable and I can double clutch if needed https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



Can't wait to get it back together with synthetic oil in the tranny and differential.



Now I want to do a turbo conversion https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png Of course I've always WANTED to, but I'll more then likely beef up an N/A first just cause.

UniqueTII 06-24-2002 08:51 AM

Hey, look...a thread with my name on it. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



I would love to replace the clutch, since it'd be really easy right now, but I don't have the cash for the parts. This is already costing me more than I had expected just because I want to do it right, and do a tune-up while I'm at it.



Back to the T/O bearing...I'll give the symptoms again to see what else could be the problem. First of all, it whines and rattles with the clutch out, but as soon as I push the clutch in, it gets quiet. Second, on rare occasions, it's tough to put into gear and grinds going into first. On other rare occasions, the car jumps forward a little while in gear with the clutch in. What else should I check to make sure I don't have to pull the tranny again?



Rotarydragon...I apologize for bringing my car over...doing a turbo conversion and getting the paint job for yours is going to cost you an arm and a leg. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

vosko 06-24-2002 08:55 AM

ed just look for a used race clutch on thepartstrader. you can usually find a good deal https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

UniqueTII 06-24-2002 09:14 AM

The parts trader is broken right now. The clutch still grabs fine, even though it's stock and old.

13BAce 06-24-2002 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by UniqueTII' date='Jun 24 2002, 10:51 AM
Hey, look...a thread with my name on it. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



I would love to replace the clutch, since it'd be really easy right now, but I don't have the cash for the parts. This is already costing me more than I had expected just because I want to do it right, and do a tune-up while I'm at it.



Back to the T/O bearing...I'll give the symptoms again to see what else could be the problem. First of all, it whines and rattles with the clutch out, but as soon as I push the clutch in, it gets quiet. Second, on rare occasions, it's tough to put into gear and grinds going into first. On other rare occasions, the car jumps forward a little while in gear with the clutch in. What else should I check to make sure I don't have to pull the tranny again?



Rotarydragon...I apologize for bringing my car over...doing a turbo conversion and getting the paint job for yours is going to cost you an arm and a leg. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

Check the clutch hydraulics. That may be the cause of the unknown engagement.

13BAce 06-24-2002 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by UniqueTII' date='Jun 24 2002, 10:51 AM
Hey, look...a thread with my name on it. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



I would love to replace the clutch, since it'd be really easy right now, but I don't have the cash for the parts. This is already costing me more than I had expected just because I want to do it right, and do a tune-up while I'm at it.



Back to the T/O bearing...I'll give the symptoms again to see what else could be the problem. First of all, it whines and rattles with the clutch out, but as soon as I push the clutch in, it gets quiet. Second, on rare occasions, it's tough to put into gear and grinds going into first. On other rare occasions, the car jumps forward a little while in gear with the clutch in. What else should I check to make sure I don't have to pull the tranny again?



Rotarydragon...I apologize for bringing my car over...doing a turbo conversion and getting the paint job for yours is going to cost you an arm and a leg. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

The rattling sounds like the T/O bearing, but if it looks good who knows. Is the transmission front cover ok? You should change both the pilot bearing and seal if you can get them out. Otherwise just give them some grease.

Rotarydragon 06-24-2002 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by UniqueTII' date='Jun 24 2002, 03:51 PM
Rotarydragon...I apologize for bringing my car over...doing a turbo conversion and getting the paint job for yours is going to cost you an arm and a leg. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



Yeahhhhh thanks. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png When I'm done everyone will have a hard time telling em apart. "I made mine jus like me friend UniqueTII!"

Rotarydragon 06-24-2002 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by 13BAce' date='Jun 24 2002, 04:23 PM
[quote name='UniqueTII' date='Jun 24 2002, 10:51 AM']Hey, look...a thread with my name on it. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



I would love to replace the clutch, since it'd be really easy right now, but I don't have the cash for the parts. This is already costing me more than I had expected just because I want to do it right, and do a tune-up while I'm at it.



Back to the T/O bearing...I'll give the symptoms again to see what else could be the problem. First of all, it whines and rattles with the clutch out, but as soon as I push the clutch in, it gets quiet. Second, on rare occasions, it's tough to put into gear and grinds going into first. On other rare occasions, the car jumps forward a little while in gear with the clutch in. What else should I check to make sure I don't have to pull the tranny again?



Rotarydragon...I apologize for bringing my car over...doing a turbo conversion and getting the paint job for yours is going to cost you an arm and a leg. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

The rattling sounds like the T/O bearing, but if it looks good who knows. Is the transmission front cover ok? You should change both the pilot bearing and seal if you can get them out. Otherwise just give them some grease.[/quote]



When you spin the bearing fast enough you can feel the bearings rubbing so it's not in the greatest shape that's for sure.



Dunno if you want to save the cash for a clutch or not, be nice to do it while its out . . . not that I mind pulling it again!



What should we look for on the cover? I've not been out to examine it since we pulled it all. Don't have the puller for the pilot bearing :(



Moly grease?

UniqueTII 06-24-2002 10:50 AM

I'll see what we can see later on tonight. I have the synthetic gear oil, plugs, engine oil, filter, coolant, anti-rust additive for coolant, and I'll have the bearing and hose tonight, so we should be able to get quite a bit done.



How do I go about checking clutch hydraulics? I should change the fluid in the clutch system anyway...it's pretty dirty.

13BAce 06-24-2002 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by Rotarydragon' date='Jun 24 2002, 12:06 PM
[quote name='13BAce' date='Jun 24 2002, 04:23 PM'][quote name='UniqueTII' date='Jun 24 2002, 10:51 AM']Hey, look...a thread with my name on it. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR



I would love to replace the clutch, since it'd be really easy right now, but I don't have the cash for the parts. This is already costing me more than I had expected just because I want to do it right, and do a tune-up while I'm at it.



Back to the T/O bearing...I'll give the symptoms again to see what else could be the problem. First of all, it whines and rattles with the clutch out, but as soon as I push the clutch in, it gets quiet. Second, on rare occasions, it's tough to put into gear and grinds going into first. On other rare occasions, the car jumps forward a little while in gear with the clutch in. What else should I check to make sure I don't have to pull the tranny again?



Rotarydragon...I apologize for bringing my car over...doing a turbo conversion and getting the paint job for yours is going to cost you an arm and a leg. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

The rattling sounds like the T/O bearing, but if it looks good who knows. Is the transmission front cover ok? You should change both the pilot bearing and seal if you can get them out. Otherwise just give them some grease.[/quote]



When you spin the bearing fast enough you can feel the bearings rubbing so it's not in the greatest shape that's for sure.



Dunno if you want to save the cash for a clutch or not, be nice to do it while its out . . . not that I mind pulling it again!



What should we look for on the cover? I've not been out to examine it since we pulled it all. Don't have the puller for the pilot bearing :(



Moly grease?[/quote]

This is what Mazdatrix says about the front cover:

Transmission Front Cover with Seal

It is always a good idea to replace the front seal on the transmission when replacing a clutch. What we are finding is considerable wear on the transmission front cover from the continual release bearing movement. If worn too much, the pressure plate will fail prematurely from release bearing side movement and misalignment.


http://www.mazdatrix.com/pictures/g3-5.jpg



I usually use that red grease.

13BAce 06-24-2002 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by UniqueTII' date='Jun 24 2002, 12:50 PM
I'll see what we can see later on tonight. I have the synthetic gear oil, plugs, engine oil, filter, coolant, anti-rust additive for coolant, and I'll have the bearing and hose tonight, so we should be able to get quite a bit done.



How do I go about checking clutch hydraulics? I should change the fluid in the clutch system anyway...it's pretty dirty.

Very dirty fluid could be a sign of a leak. Just look for leaks at the hose, slave, and master cylinders. The slave cylinder may be leaking inside of the car.

UniqueTII 06-24-2002 03:58 PM

How do I drain and refill the system? Is that nipple on the clutch cylinder the bleeder valve?

13BAce 06-24-2002 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by UniqueTII' date='Jun 24 2002, 05:58 PM
How do I drain and refill the system? Is that nipple on the clutch cylinder the bleeder valve?

Yes, that's for bleeding the clutch. A long 8 mm socket works well.


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