okay, so i bought my SS brake lines, and will save them until i have money for a brake system overhaul. which brings me to the point of which stuff to upgrade to. i'm only doing this b/c i'm sure the pads need changing and i'm sure the old rotors have been worn (the brakes feel mushy and make strange crunching noise, but they do work).



either way, all i want to upgrade are pads and rotors. which ones should i get? i was noticing the bonez for $140 a peice, with a choice between x-drilled and slotted. which one is better?

x-drilled is bad, they will crack eventually. its 70's technology. go for either stock or slotted



mike

It depends on what you want to do with the car.

If you only drive on the street and you want a little bling or do a few auto-x’s a year the cross-drilled are fine.

If you do a lot of track days or Solo trails you will want slotted or solid rotors and some better pads.

I am running Power slot rotors and Hawk HP+ pads.

I love this setup. I can feel my eyes about to pop out of my head under hard braking.

But, the Hawk HP+ brake pads squeal and dust like a MF'er.

In almost every case, stock rotors with upgraded pads are fine. If you're running around Laguna Seca, you may want to upgrade the rotors. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

the k2rd its car runs stock pads, and rotors https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



mike

Ok, so if you run around LS you don't have to change the rotors...you win. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

You can run stock parts, if you dont want to run fast lap times. Trust me stock pads on stock rotors will fade very fast on a track.

You can run stock parts, if you dont want to run fast lap times. Trust me stock pads on stock rotors will fade very fast on a track. [/quote]

they win enduros with the car. better pads would help their laptimes though



mike

You can run stock parts, if you dont want to run fast lap times. Trust me stock pads on stock rotors will fade very fast on a track. [/quote]

they win enduros with the car. better pads would help their laptimes though



mike [/quote]

I smell BS

You can run stock parts, if you dont want to run fast lap times. Trust me stock pads on stock rotors will fade very fast on a track. [/quote]

they win enduros with the car. better pads would help their laptimes though



mike [/quote]

I smell BS [/quote]

call em and ask.



mike

He must not know he can trust you because you have a 20B...lol.

yes i have a larger engine, so i'm right



mike

The only worthwhile upgrades on the rotors would be larger diameter and/or lighter (aluminum hat rigidly mounted to iron disc would be useful for reducing unsprung weight), in my opinion.



crossdrilling and slotting are more for appearance than anything.

You can run stock parts, if you dont want to run fast lap times. Trust me stock pads on stock rotors will fade very fast on a track. [/quote]

they win enduros with the car. better pads would help their laptimes though



mike [/quote]

I smell BS [/quote]

call em and ask.



mike [/quote]

You're saying that some guy goes to the dealer and ask for stock pads for his race car?

When he could be running performance pads for about the same price?

You can run stock parts, if you dont want to run fast lap times. Trust me stock pads on stock rotors will fade very fast on a track. [/quote]

they win enduros with the car. better pads would help their laptimes though



mike [/quote]

I smell BS [/quote]

call em and ask.



mike [/quote]

You're saying that some guy goes to the dealer and ask for stock pads for his race car?

When he could be running performance pads for about the same price? [/quote]

i didnt say how much he paid for the pads, just that they are stock mazda



mike

but the SS brake lines, good choice?



i guess i will just wait on the rotors and change the pads. so hawk pads, or should i go with the bonez.

SS brake lines are a good upgrade.

porterfields are good too



mike

hawk HPS or HP+



brembo blanks or mazda OEM rotors

New master cylinder



that is what you need



plus rebuiliding 13+ year old calipers is always a good idea

You can run stock parts, if you dont want to run fast lap times. Trust me stock pads on stock rotors will fade very fast on a track. [/quote]

they win enduros with the car. better pads would help their laptimes though



mike [/quote]

I smell BS [/quote]

call em and ask.



mike [/quote]

You're saying that some guy goes to the dealer and ask for stock pads for his race car?

When he could be running performance pads for about the same price? [/quote]

i didnt say how much he paid for the pads, just that they are stock mazda



mike [/quote]

I think I am stepping in the BS now.

With 7000+ posts I would think that you would be able to elaborate a little more.

Like more than one sentence fragment.

what more do you want from him?

i dont get it? they use stock mazda pads they bought in bulk. they race the car in enduros and win. its a very low buck car compared to some of the competition. the stock pads arent that bad, i'm sure they would be faster with hawk blues but those are more $$.

look at the tires http://www.k2rd.com/events/results/tire1.jpg theres nothing left on em.



mike

racing is 75% driver too, https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

The original post is asking for an upgrade.

I don’t think he is talking about buying in bulk.

And yes stock pads suck. That is why your friend buys them in bulk.

if the stock mazda pads work well enough to not be dangerous on the track (fade) I'm going to have to lean towards them not sucking.



How you can derive them as sucking based on k2rd's purchasing them in bulk to save money is beyond me.

dude, relax its not like i'm making him buy stock pads. after all neither of us know what he's gonna use the car for



mike

I can’t believe I am debating about stock brake pads vs. performance pads. I hope this site isn’t dominated by a couple of kids that have riced out their 7's. If you have no track or race experiences don’t chime in (my friend did this or my friend did that). You opinion is great for the Oprah show, but track time and race seat experience is priceless.

I can’t even imagine how much time it would take to get over 7000+ posts. It's not time spent in the car seat or the garage.

Let stay on track here guys, and answer aggie's question. Boxstock, stop hijacking this poor guys thread https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



Aggie, if the break pedal feels crunchy, you best check your pads out first. And then look at your brake fluid, if its black, you need to change the fluid. Its not easy and takes some skill and time. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png I just put the bonez pads pn my car and they do not fade. A new master cylinder and good brake fluid couldnt hurt either (brembo, AP Lockeed, motul) they are all good fluids. In my racing experience, which is mostly with open-wheel cars, hawk pads have faded, and failed time and time again. Their production car pads might be different though



All in all, stick with the OEM pads if you are just cruising around and drag racing.

you're a dick, IMO j9 knows his **** much more than you https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/tongue.png



How do you know the rules of the class that K2RD is racing in? Maybe they are limited to using stock brake pads thru racing rules and stipulations. This **** aint ****** rice either, none of us FC guys are rice, and i take that as a personal insult when you say crap like that. I somewhat know everybody in the FC forum and we all hate rice.

how mindless is this? You can get alot of posts when you can be on here while at work.



Personally I run Powerslot rotors and Axxis metal masters.



I got the rotors because I needed new ones and the main reasons

I got the powerslots was because they are about the same price as

OEM. 2nd- The hubs DONT RUST, which was important to me, why put

17" rims on the car to show off rusty brake hubs? The slots I dont

care about, what made me choose the rotors I chose was because they

dont rust and they seemed to get good reviews from others using them



The pads I chose after doing some research into which pads people were using with those types of rotors.



OBVIOUSLY if the guy was going to race on a track he would seek the

advice of other people on the track. At least I would hope so.

In the real world of normal driving on the street almost any set up is good.

If you are going to be driving the car hard you need to research what suits your needs.

cool deal, so rotors are a $400 expense that i dont need, since i'm only going to be ocassionally autoxing next semester with the A&M SCC. I think that money might be better spent on a new master cylinder.



As for caliper rebuilds, how much time and trouble to do this? What is the cost of a rebuild kit, $60?



I'll check out the rotors, and i need new one's, i might try those slotted that someone else suggested, and some bonez pad that dont cost too much. Thanks for the info, i'm sure my master cylinder needs a changing. My clutch slave went out last semester, and i changed that out no problem. Thanks everyone.

the bonez pads are great for autox, the have really good inital torque, which is needed in slow speed gymkana/autox