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cps87rx7se 03-20-2004 10:27 PM

I know that I need an Air:Fuel gauge to hook up to my O2 sensor. But from there what am I going to do? If I am to lean it out a little bit to get more horsepower, where on the gauge am I not going to go past? Pics and input are apprectiated.

roadkill669 03-20-2004 11:07 PM

It really depends on the gauge you use. The only real way to tune is to get a wide band. The narrow bands only can tell you if your going towards lean or towards rich, not exact.



You really gotta do it by feel. Just play with it and dont lean it out too much that you detonate.

cps87rx7se 03-21-2004 11:28 AM

What would be a good wide band sensor, and where could I get one?

j9fd3s 03-21-2004 12:09 PM

on an na you sorta dont need one, detonation isnt a problem.



http://www.rx-7parts.com/product_info.php/...products_id/268



thats the best wideband, as an alternative you could tune the car on the dyno

cps87rx7se 03-21-2004 01:44 PM

So if I dont need one, do I just get an aftermarket one and use that with the o2 sensor?

j9fd3s 03-21-2004 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by cps87rx7se' date='Mar 21 2004, 11:44 AM
So if I dont need one, do I just get an aftermarket one and use that with the o2 sensor?

no thats not good enough, the guages using the stock 02 sensor dont really work correctly at full load. they will read leaner the hotter they get while a wideband is temp compensated

cps87rx7se 03-21-2004 04:57 PM

I really dont want to spend that much right now b/c I just got the S-AFC, and that left a hole in my pocket as it was. So, by getting an A:F ratio gauge, and by the butt dyno, I can tune it with out having any problems, or am I going to risk the chance of detonation?

TheCamel 03-21-2004 05:09 PM

your butt is not calibrated for air/fuel ratios...



Spend the money now (wideband) or spend more later (new rebuild)

cps87rx7se 03-21-2004 05:42 PM

Is there an eaiser way to tune the S-AFC? That is what I am asking, can I use an Autometer Air:Fuel ratio gauge or do I need to get a wide band O2 sensor?

j9fd3s 03-21-2004 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by cps87rx7se' date='Mar 21 2004, 03:42 PM
Is there an eaiser way to tune the S-AFC? That is what I am asking, can I use an Autometer Air:Fuel ratio gauge or do I need to get a wide band O2 sensor?

the autometer isnt good enough.

Leetheslacker 03-21-2004 06:55 PM

couldnt you take it to a dyno and have it tuned by their wideband?

cps87rx7se 03-21-2004 08:29 PM

Well, the problem with taking it to have it dynoed, is that there are none by me in upstate new york (10 min. outside of albany). So I am SOL with that. But if you know of any near albany, or near/around NYC, I would appreciate the input. Otherwise, I will have to spend the money on buying a wide band O2 sensor. Any one know where there are cheaper ones than the one @ rx-7parts.com?

cps87rx7se 03-21-2004 08:38 PM

Do I need a new specific O2 sensor when I get the wide band kit?

TheCamel 03-21-2004 08:50 PM

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/



it is the cheapest most accurate unit on the market, and the O2 sensor is included with it (same as the link above, this is the companies website)

roadkill669 03-22-2004 10:44 PM

Hmm. Not a bad price to do data logging also. We sell the PLX Deviceswideband controller. They are a really nice unit for the price. They have a new unit coming out soon that is wireless and also does datalogging. A bit expensive for those because they are wireless (almost 2x as much).



I didnt realize it we were talking about a NA untill I saw his name. All I can say is that I wish I had bought a wideband a long long time ago.

j9fd3s 03-22-2004 11:49 PM


Originally Posted by roadkill669' date='Mar 22 2004, 08:44 PM
Hmm. Not a bad price to do data logging also. We sell the PLX Deviceswideband controller. They are a really nice unit for the price. They have a new unit coming out soon that is wireless and also does datalogging. A bit expensive for those because they are wireless (almost 2x as much).



I didnt realize it we were talking about a NA untill I saw his name. All I can say is that I wish I had bought a wideband a long long time ago.

how far does the wireless go?


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