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1Revvin7 06-08-2004 01:13 AM

Gmon and I have been trying to fix this for the last 6+ hours.



At or real close to 3800rpms the car just hits a brick wall, feels just like an n/a when the secondaries are unplugged. This happens regardless of pressure, low vacuum or boost.

What we have done:



Direct power to the secondaries and they spray and do not leak. They were cleaned previously; the injectors are not the problem



Checked that the injectors have power when the car is the "on" position



Checked for contiunity on the signal wires for the injectors; check injector cap pins to make sure they are touching, injectors caps are new also. injector wiring is not the problem.



We swapped afms, ecu, pressure sensors, put in a "pill", hooked it up to a direct source.



Added two large grounds to the block. All other grounds are hookedup.





We are stumped as to why this thing hesitates so hard. It will not go past 4k at wot/part throttle. It acts like there is no fuel, like its so lean it just won't go anywhere. I do not know for a fact that the injectors aren't opening.



The car is also running like ass right now for some reason, but thats another post.

1Revvin7 06-08-2004 01:24 AM

coils/cas/pressure sensor are within spec. cas wires have contiunity, plugs are firing. Plugs are 1600 miles old. 15k miles on jacobs wires. Fuel filter has been replaced.

TII777 06-08-2004 02:01 AM

ill come down and help this week sometime when I get off work, being that I have the same problem. Id be interested in seeing what happens when my haltech goes in, if it stops, maybe its a natural reaction for the stock ecu to go into limp mode under certain conditions with certain mods done to the car. Maybe its a fuel pressure problem???

j9fd3s 06-08-2004 08:57 AM

what year is the car? if its 89-91 try plugging in a solenoid into the fpr connector, and clearing the code

1Revvin7 06-08-2004 11:56 AM

its an 88.

Randomname01 06-08-2004 09:09 PM

bad omp throwing it into limp mode?

1Revvin7 06-08-2004 10:35 PM


Originally Posted by Randomname01' date='Jun 8 2004, 09:09 PM
bad omp throwing it into limp mode?

Thats only on s5 rx7s, this is an s4. which is running premix

TII777 06-09-2004 10:25 AM

well that gives me some ideas. I tried plugging the solenoid into fpr connector, but didnt clear codes. I'm also going to block off the omp and go premix, then we'll see what happens. El you should just sell that thing. What was the offer you got? 6k?

1Revvin7 06-09-2004 01:34 PM

If the guy comes back around with the money the car is gone no doubt. I should assume I am keeping the car though, and keep on fixing it up.

j9fd3s 06-09-2004 03:55 PM

sensor in the bottom of the radiator hooked up?

1Revvin7 06-09-2004 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s' date='Jun 9 2004, 03:55 PM
sensor in the bottom of the radiator hooked up?

Yes, but is there a backwards way to hook it up to the wiring harness?

j9fd3s 06-09-2004 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by 1Revvin7' date='Jun 9 2004, 12:58 PM
Yes, but is there a backwards way to hook it up to the wiring harness?

short the 2 wires together

1Revvin7 06-09-2004 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s' date='Jun 9 2004, 03:59 PM
short the 2 wires together

Ok so there is no backwards way to hook it up. Mike if you can get on aim that would be great https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png .

NCTII87 06-10-2004 01:00 AM

tried maybe a stethoscope on the injectors to see if you can hear em opening?

1Revvin7 06-10-2004 01:09 AM


Originally Posted by NCTII87' date='Jun 10 2004, 01:00 AM
tried maybe a stethoscope on the injectors to see if you can hear em opening?

The secondary port runners are bone dry, they aren't coming on. The car even hesitates when just revving, won't go past 4k rpms.

Snoxxy 06-10-2004 12:34 PM

just out of curiousity, check your fuel pump, maybe she ain't getting enought gas, the AFR drops , and she goes in limp mode, just a thought

BigTurbo74 06-10-2004 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by 1Revvin7' date='Jun 8 2004, 09:35 PM
Thats only on s5 rx7s, this is an s4. which is running premix

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1Revvin7 06-10-2004 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by Snoxxy' date='Jun 10 2004, 12:34 PM
just out of curiousity, check your fuel pump, maybe she ain't getting enought gas, the AFR drops , and she goes in limp mode, just a thought

Nope. Just checked that, 13.65vs the entire time.

j9fd3s 06-10-2004 02:15 PM

do you have power @ the secondary injectors?

ColinRX7 06-10-2004 02:24 PM

Have you tried just swapping ECUs? Could be a burned up circuit somewhere on the board..

1Revvin7 06-10-2004 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s' date='Jun 10 2004, 02:15 PM
do you have power @ the secondary injectors?

They have power. Colin, I've swapped the ecu/boost sensor/afm...

ColinRX7 06-10-2004 03:22 PM

Ahh sorry I overlooked that.



Tough situation!

1Revvin7 06-10-2004 03:49 PM

Well with Camel's help I did some backprobing. Tps/cas/injs/water/air temps sensors are all giving the correct voltage to the ecu.

j9fd3s 06-10-2004 04:01 PM

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escroll about 1/2 way down

BigTurbo74 06-10-2004 04:21 PM

!!! wow

madeinnuyawk 06-10-2004 05:54 PM

if it its not injectors or ground.. then the ecu is blown... remove the passenger side carpet.. then take off the ecu plugs.. and smell where the plugs go.. if it smells burnt then its a bad ecu... but then the problem is.. how did it blow.. maybe u have a short somewhere.. the reason im saying this is because.. ive seen some many 3800 rpm hesitation problems .. its not even funny... if it feels like it hits a brick wall.. then u can eliminate the fuel filter... fpr.. coils.. cas... injectors...or pressure sensor...i think its the ecu....

1Revvin7 06-10-2004 05:57 PM

Just installed a new walbro fuel pump/intank filter. Old one was not clogged. Problem is still not fixed. The outer fuel filter was replaced before I got he car, I can see new hose/clamps on it too so I know its been replaced.

1Revvin7 06-10-2004 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by madeinnuyawk' date='Jun 10 2004, 05:54 PM
if it its not injectors or ground.. then the ecu is blown... remove the passenger side carpet.. then take off the ecu plugs.. and smell where the plugs go.. if it smells burnt then its a bad ecu... but then the problem is.. how did it blow.. maybe u have a short somewhere.. the reason im saying this is because.. ive seen some many 3800 rpm hesitation problems .. its not even funny... if it feels like it hits a brick wall.. then u can eliminate the fuel filter... fpr.. coils.. cas... injectors...or pressure sensor...i think its the ecu....

Swapped ecus... Still nothing.

1Revvin7 06-10-2004 06:59 PM

**** it. E6k time.

ColinRX7 06-12-2004 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by 1Revvin7' date='Jun 10 2004, 07:59 PM
**** it. E6k time.


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