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TurboSmoke 06-01-2004 06:07 PM

I am in the middle of doing a TII conversion on my Na Rx7. and while the motor is out i am having it rebuilt and having a stage III street port done on it. i am also doing a T66 turbo upgrade and thats all i can tell you without letting the cat out of the bag. i am in the middle of a debate that has me baffeled. I need to decide if i wanna go with 2mm cryo-hardened seals or 3mm cryo-hardened seals. or should i go for the aviation seals. i am plannin on pushing 15-20 psi.



As far as the seals go i am clueless. i have heard that the 3mm seals dont seal as well as the 2mm seals, and the 3mm arnt good for daily drivng.



Any and all advice or comments welcome. i would like to hear what jim has to say.



TurboSmoke

j9fd3s 06-01-2004 09:36 PM

go for the 2mm seals, they work better

RotaryRocket219 06-01-2004 09:50 PM

Ive always been told and read that 2mm is better as well. Keep it factory with the apex seals (meaning 2mm https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR ).



-Marc

nismo convert 06-01-2004 09:52 PM

apparently the aviation seal can withstand 3 pings. i'd go with them

RotaryRocket219 06-01-2004 09:54 PM

I also read on rx7club people were having problems with premature wear with the RA seals.



http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?s=&t...rotary+aviation

j9fd3s 06-01-2004 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by nismo convert' date='Jun 1 2004, 06:52 PM
apparently the aviation seal can withstand 3 pings. i'd go with them

so can the stock ones, just depends on when you ping

1Revvin7 06-02-2004 12:44 AM

So are you going to cryo everything else in the motor?

phinsup 06-02-2004 12:50 AM

I had a bad knock in mine with the 2mm seals drove it several times that way before I figured it out, it didn't kill them.



As far as the cryo treating I am just not sold on it yet, only time will tell.

roadkill669 06-02-2004 07:11 AM

Damn, someone elso cyroing thier engine.

RX7Aggie 06-02-2004 01:34 PM

i have 3 mm seals on mine, not sure of the material, just know it added to the cost of my rebuild two summers ago. since then, i've put 2 hard years on my car, complete with drag racing and some autox runs. they work fine, and i haven't had any complaints. i make good power, and the car runs strong and reliably.

TurboSmoke 06-02-2004 10:53 PM

i am not going to cryo the whole motor, i am just going with the cryo hardened seals. i am still debating on if i should go with 2mm or 3mm. my mechanic thinks very highly of the 3mm seals and i value his opinion. i also value the people who have had to deal with this kind of stuff before. its just a agravating process.



TurboSmoke

T72FC 06-05-2004 02:58 AM

A fairly good friend of mine owns cryo shop and I have seen somethings that impress me. What I would worry about with just cryoing the apex seals is that is going to be harder to break in and it is going to be very hard on the rotor housings.



Only way I would cryo an apex seal is if I was going to cryo the rotor housings.



FWIW cryo treating works awesome on parts that wear. I don't know if it will help much with keeping a seal from breaking. But if you do the seals and rotor housings it will help greatly on long term wear.

1Revvin7 06-05-2004 03:09 AM


Originally Posted by T72FC' date='Jun 5 2004, 02:58 AM
Only way I would cryo an apex seal is if I was going to cryo the rotor housings.

Same here.


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