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j9fd3s 09-22-2002 10:07 AM

so we dynoed yesterday. gd took home top honors with 430hp (he has a t51 and a tec2). i'll post the sheet later, but theres something wrong with mine, it only put down 207rwhp (in 3rd) @10psi. george samuels car (attila the fun, the rxx7) puts down 337@10psi. where is my 100hp? i took the exhaust off the the car and i only gained 7rwhp. its totally not what i expected to see, because the car feels faster than; well stock?!?



dissapointed, in ca

SoRRoW 09-22-2002 11:28 AM

haha wanna race?



Im ready now... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/BURNOUT.gif

vosko 09-22-2002 11:35 AM

only running on two rotors ?

13BAce 09-22-2002 12:07 PM

George is running a single turbo, a TO4 or something like that. His motor was rebuilt, and it may have been ported.

OKIERX-7 09-22-2002 12:09 PM

Damn, that sure can't be right. Are you getting spark/fuel to all three rotors. What EMS is running the 20B?

vosko 09-22-2002 12:16 PM

mike you want my tec III ? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif

jspecracer7 09-22-2002 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by vosko' date='Sep 23 2002, 03:16 AM

LOL...sheet...I WANT YOUR TEC III! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/BURNOUT.gif

j9fd3s 09-22-2002 08:28 PM

ok i found some of it. the engine is good (i checked again), it runs on all 3. this is what i found. the throttles weren't opening all the way, the double throttle blades look like they were being blown shut (i took them out). with just that the boost ws coming on quicker, and it was holding til redline. we also started playing with the timing down low 1000-2500rpms, now it spools the turbo really fast. i think i found about 20-30hp today which would be about right for a stock motor. we might go back and redyno next week.



mike

vosko 09-23-2002 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s' date='Sep 22 2002, 09:28 PM
ok i found some of it. the engine is good (i checked again), it runs on all 3. this is what i found. the throttles weren't opening all the way, the double throttle blades look like they were being blown shut (i took them out). with just that the boost ws coming on quicker, and it was holding til redline. we also started playing with the timing down low 1000-2500rpms, now it spools the turbo really fast. i think i found about 20-30hp today which would be about right for a stock motor. we might go back and redyno next week.



mike

cool

13BAce 09-23-2002 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s' date='Sep 22 2002, 06:28 PM
ok i found some of it. the engine is good (i checked again), it runs on all 3. this is what i found. the throttles weren't opening all the way, the double throttle blades look like they were being blown shut (i took them out). with just that the boost ws coming on quicker, and it was holding til redline. we also started playing with the timing down low 1000-2500rpms, now it spools the turbo really fast. i think i found about 20-30hp today which would be about right for a stock motor. we might go back and redyno next week.



mike

See, I told you to "open" the motor. Get rid of that double throttle crap! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

j9fd3s 09-23-2002 01:02 PM

yah it pulls harder now https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



mike

vosko 09-24-2002 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s' date='Sep 23 2002, 02:02 PM

where are the new numbers!

j9fd3s 09-25-2002 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by vosko' date='Sep 24 2002, 08:05 PM
[quote name='j9fd3s' date='Sep 23 2002, 02:02 PM']yah it pulls harder now https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



mike

where are the new numbers![/quote]

we might try and dyno today, i still need more tuning up top. its really fast on the low end



mike

vosko 09-25-2002 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s' date='Sep 25 2002, 12:29 PM
[quote name='vosko' date='Sep 24 2002, 08:05 PM'][quote name='j9fd3s' date='Sep 23 2002, 02:02 PM']yah it pulls harder now https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



mike

where are the new numbers![/quote]

we might try and dyno today, i still need more tuning up top. its really fast on the low end



mike[/quote]

you have low end torque you lucky sob https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

j9fd3s 09-25-2002 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by vosko' date='Sep 25 2002, 09:32 AM
[quote name='j9fd3s' date='Sep 25 2002, 12:29 PM'][quote name='vosko' date='Sep 24 2002, 08:05 PM'][quote name='j9fd3s' date='Sep 23 2002, 02:02 PM']yah it pulls harder now https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



mike

where are the new numbers![/quote]

we might try and dyno today, i still need more tuning up top. its really fast on the low end



mike[/quote]

you have low end torque you lucky sob https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png[/quote]

and flames come out of it too https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



mike

vosko 09-25-2002 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s' date='Sep 25 2002, 12:57 PM
[quote name='vosko' date='Sep 25 2002, 09:32 AM'][quote name='j9fd3s' date='Sep 25 2002, 12:29 PM'][quote name='vosko' date='Sep 24 2002, 08:05 PM'][quote name='j9fd3s' date='Sep 23 2002, 02:02 PM']yah it pulls harder now https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



mike

where are the new numbers![/quote]

we might try and dyno today, i still need more tuning up top. its really fast on the low end



mike[/quote]

you have low end torque you lucky sob https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png[/quote]

and flames come out of it too https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



mike[/quote]

my TII had lots of fireworks just no torque https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

j9fd3s 09-26-2002 02:05 PM

hey vosko, i think i have my timing set to 5btdc not 5 after, is that what happened to you?



mike

vosko 09-26-2002 02:08 PM

i don't even know. i'm still waiting to find out. ito said he won't tell me LOL

j9fd3s 09-26-2002 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by vosko' date='Sep 26 2002, 12:08 PM
i don't even know. i'm still waiting to find out. ito said he won't tell me LOL

haha, it must be so easy it's dumb. the timing on the 20b and the hlatech doesnt agree



mike

vosko 09-26-2002 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s' date='Sep 26 2002, 04:30 PM
[quote name='vosko' date='Sep 26 2002, 12:08 PM']i don't even know. i'm still waiting to find out. ito said he won't tell me LOL

haha, it must be so easy it's dumb. the timing on the 20b and the hlatech doesnt agree



mike[/quote]

pm him. maybe he'll tell you? either that or keep calling the shop until he tells you LOL

j9fd3s 09-26-2002 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by vosko' date='Sep 26 2002, 02:15 PM
[quote name='j9fd3s' date='Sep 26 2002, 04:30 PM'][quote name='vosko' date='Sep 26 2002, 12:08 PM']i don't even know. i'm still waiting to find out. ito said he won't tell me LOL

haha, it must be so easy it's dumb. the timing on the 20b and the hlatech doesnt agree



mike[/quote]

pm him. maybe he'll tell you? either that or keep calling the shop until he tells you LOL[/quote]

german accent: we have ways of making him talk.



mike

j9fd3s 09-26-2002 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s' date='Sep 26 2002, 01:30 PM
[quote name='vosko' date='Sep 26 2002, 12:08 PM']i don't even know. i'm still waiting to find out. ito said he won't tell me LOL

haha, it must be so easy it's dumb. the timing on the 20b and the hlatech doesnt agree



mike[/quote]

after further investigation, we find out the i'm dumb, and the haltech and the pulley agree (at idle)



mike

vosko 09-26-2002 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s' date='Sep 26 2002, 07:21 PM
[quote name='j9fd3s' date='Sep 26 2002, 01:30 PM'][quote name='vosko' date='Sep 26 2002, 12:08 PM']i don't even know. i'm still waiting to find out. ito said he won't tell me LOL

haha, it must be so easy it's dumb. the timing on the 20b and the hlatech doesnt agree



mike[/quote]

after further investigation, we find out the i'm dumb, and the haltech and the pulley agree (at idle)



mike[/quote]

make sure not just at idle its ok because mine was ok at idle but when rev advance way too much..........

j9fd3s 09-30-2002 09:15 PM

i'll have to check it out. right now i lost another 100hp, it popped a boost hose at 140mph



mike

Node 10-16-2002 02:42 AM

stupid turbos!





Fact: A 2 stroke will run in reverse if the timing is off enough (Needs around 10deg advanced or so).

I can only imagine what a guy is thinking when he starts up his dirtbike or quad and all of the sudden has 5 gears in reverse https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png


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