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socalwrench 08-17-2008 02:26 PM

Alright, I've done hours worth of searching and am getting mixed answers.



I have a 1984 GSL-SE rearend. I have everything except the 'pumpkin' / differential. On to the questions:



1- Does the GSL-SE use larger axles and more splines than the GSL?



1a- IF the above is true... are the 81-83 axles the same as the 84-85 cars?



2- Will the Miata (NA & NB) differential fit in the GSL-SE housing?



2a- IF the Miata diff does not work, what will?

bigboi12A 08-18-2008 07:28 AM

1) No same **** as long as it's 84-85. But the se lug pattern is different



1.a) false the older **** has smaller berarings and aren't interchangeable with 84-85



2) not sure man?



I don't know what direction your going with your fb? but in my opinion fb rears arent the strongest especially for drag.

j9fd3s 08-18-2008 10:45 AM

the 84-85 rear ends are all big axle, in addition you can swap spider gears in the diff and change big to small, and small to big



i have seen pictures of the 94-05 miata pumpkin into a 1st gen housing, you need to grind some stuff off of it for the watts linkage



http://www.rx7.org/jes/

bigboi12A 08-18-2008 09:16 PM

Thats some interesting ****. It all depends on what your building your car for? autocross. drag, or multi purpose.

j9fd3s 08-19-2008 11:09 AM

some of those miatae have 4.30 gears too

socalwrench 08-20-2008 11:31 AM

bigboi, I'm not drag racing the car. if I was, I have a '73 9-inch waiting for a project.



the cars purpose will be road course racing- most likely spec rx-7, which is why it has to be a Mazda part.

j9fd3s 08-20-2008 02:09 PM

doesnt spec 7 mean you've gotta run a stock 12a 3.9? miata comes in that flavor too



i notice we missed this in the first post, if you have an 84-85 disc brake axle housing the stuff that makes it a gsl-se vs gsl are the following



1. brake backing plates calipers and rotors are different (-se is vented, so the rotor is wider)



2. the axles are different, same diameter, but the gsl-se has the 4x114.3 bolt pattern for the wheels, while the 12a is 4x110



3 pumpkin. the iron housing is the same from like 1968 to 1985, the 84 gsl-se's have a 4.09 ring and pinion vs the 3.9 of the 12a. 85 gsl-se's have a 3.9. gsl and gsl-se limted slip units are the same, except the gsl-se is setup to be looser stock (they flip something around in the diff). the miatas use a torsen, with either a 3.9, 4:10, or 4.3 gearset.



mazda generally matches the rear end to the diameter of the tires.

socalwrench 08-20-2008 04:24 PM

Basically, I have a 1984 GSL-SE, with all the rearend parts needed except for the differential and diff housing- which I mistakenly sold. It does have the larger bolt pattern and vented rotors. I believe it had 4.10 gears.



I'm not 100% sure about the spec 7 rule. I am also considering SCCA IT racing (if I can't find a rotary engine). Such is the world of racing, the more mods you do bumps you up to the next class.



At this point, I am considering the Miata or B series diff with 3.90 gears and a nice limited slip diff- clutch or torsen.



thanks 'j9fd3s' for the help.

j9fd3s 08-20-2008 05:31 PM

look at the rules, SCCA is weird...



if you go over to NASA, they have two classes, time trials TT or the performance touring PT. both classes use either a point system, or hp to weight to class you. TT isnt wheel to wheel either, so you can build a nicer car

socalwrench 08-20-2008 10:14 PM

"TT isnt wheel to wheel either, so you can build a nicer car"



LOL. that is true. my FB will not have a high end paint job and I will have spare body panels.



I'm still searching for a diff.


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