[Baldy]

Good info, thanks.

I was looking at this, $39.99 at harbor freight: pressure pot gun
I just need to double check to make sure my compressor has the cfm and what not

[Baldy]

Oh, and I'll be sure to sand IF the black paint the previous owner used starts flaking of when I'm scrubbing.

[iceblue]

I don't care who you are if you spray coats of clear you will have orange peel. There are some tricks with reducer to eat the clear flat but that’s another skill not for this thread.

It can be done I tell you, just know what your doing and have the right tools. When you do the body work I did and a car for magazines and show and weekend driving you do things perfectly. As always nothing but comes from my work. That is why the engine bay is color sanded and buffed. There is over 550 hours of labor in the bay alone.

[Rob x-7]

when you spray single stage paints alot you would see clear lays down the best.
You sprayed that funky pink and probably because its a uneven surface went a little light on the paint as not to get it blotchy, so you had a uphill battle with the clear to try to spray it smooth.

Things tend to look much better in pictures then they do in person, seen plenty of magazine and television cars that looked crappy in person.

[iceblue]

Rob x-7, on Dec 5 2006, 07:57 PM, said:

when you spray single stage paints alot you would see clear lays down the best.
You sprayed that funky pink and probably because its a uneven surface went a little light on the paint as not to get it blotchy, so you had a uphill battle with the clear to try to spray it smooth.

I do not spray single stages but I have never nor have the people I deal with in the auto body industry for decades seen a clear without orange peal. As stated before there is some tricks of trade but that’s not for this topic.

Rob x-7, on Dec 5 2006, 07:57 PM, said:

Things tend to look much better in pictures then they do in person, seen plenty of magazine and television cars that looked crappy in person.

I agree PS can do allot. If you ask the people who have seen that car in person they will say it looks bettor in person then it does in photos. Perhaps my camera can not provide justice but the depth of that paint job is an intense no photo could capture. The bay was sprayed with 5 coats of primer 3 coats of base 2 coats of pearl 3 coats of clear.

[Rob x-7]

im not saying to get a clear that wont have peel, im saying in a uneven area like a engine bay with so many radius and uneven surfaces you do not invite peel.

Im sure you have sprayed a piece of tubing? Did you have to wetsand that?

[j9fd3s]

you dont need photoshop at all, the camera alone hides a lot. in fact photoshop is usually poorly done, and obvious.

[iceblue]

Rob x-7, on Dec 6 2006, 05:59 AM, said:

im not saying to get a clear that wont have peel, im saying in a uneven area like a engine bay with so many radius and uneven surfaces you do not invite peel.

Im sure you have sprayed a piece of tubing? Did you have to wetsand that?

Clear alone will not lie without orange peel. All new cars have orange peel. All staged clear acrylic paints will have orange peel. It is inevitable. You do not have to color sand anything if you do not want. Wet sanding and color sanding are different things it depends on the grade you are going too.

[Rob x-7]

this discussion will go nowhere.

Did you ever have to spray tubing?
Did you need to color sand or wet sand it or whatever you want to call it?

[iceblue]

Yup such as roll cages. And I sure did very minor as the finish goal was not of the same nature or desire nor possible due to fitment surroundings.

If you claim you can spray a car without orange peel then you are foolish. If this is not what you are saying my apology’s.

[Rob x-7]

im NOT saying that, im saying that on such a uneven surface area, especially a FC engine compartment, that if you cant put your paint on wet enough without running it so that you dont have to polish it your not necessarily doing something wrong
Its just that you need to push the limit and ride that fine line of laying the paint on so that it gives it that awesome wet look without sagging it.

[iceblue]

I fail to see where what you are saying has any relivance to what color sanding does.

[Rob x-7]

never mind, obviously we are not on the same page.
Im not talking about sanding the WHOLE car, im talking JUST engine bays like that of a FC, not some big ole' engine bay like a old Cadillac or something, and how they wont need it because you can lay down a really wet coat of paint without the fear of running the paint.

[iceblue]

The bay will run very easily because of the tight sections will be hard to cover and you will get to much paint on the lower portion of the fan and cause a run :-D

If you get close enough to the paint even sprayed really wet and thick without running use a high tack clear to do this it will still obtain orange peel. On a put together bay you will hardly see that peel because of all the parts bolted around not enough surface area to notice. IE how you said a big panel. What is easy about it is you do not have to be so even with your sprays because the waves will not show up.

What you have to know is that car you see EVRYTHING there is not a single object on the sides of the engine bay it is a striped bay and everything is fabricated into hidden locations. So you can clearly see everything.

[Rob x-7]

Abbott: Well, Costello, I'm going to New York with you. Bucky Harris the Yankee's manager gave me a job as coach for as long as you're on the team.

Costello: Look Abbott, if you're the coach, you must know all the players.

Abbott: I certainly do.

Costello: Well you know I've never met the guys. So you'll have to tell me their names, and then I'll know who's playing on the team.

Abbott: Oh, I'll tell you their names, but you know it seems to me they give these ball players now-a-days very peculiar names.

Costello: You mean funny names?

Abbott: Strange names, pet names...like Dizzy Dean...

Costello: His brother Daffy

Abbott: Daffy Dean...

Costello: And their French cousin.

Abbott: French?

Costello: Goofe'


Abbott: Goofe' Dean. Well, let's see, we have on the bags, Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know is on third...

Costello: That's what I want to find out.

Abbott: I say Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know's on third.

Costello: Are you the manager?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: You gonna be the coach too?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: And you don't know the fellows' names.

Abbott: Well I should.

Costello: Well then who's on first?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: I mean the fellow's name.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The guy on first.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The first baseman.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The guy playing...

Abbott: Who is on first!

Costello: I'm asking you who's on first.

Abbott: That's the man's name.

Costello: That's who's name?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: Well go ahead and tell me.

Abbott: That's it.

Costello: That's who?

Abbott: Yes. PAUSE

Costello: Look, you gotta first baseman?

Abbott: Certainly.

Costello: Who's playing first?

Abbott: That's right.

Costello: When you pay off the first baseman every month, who gets the money?

Abbott: Every dollar of it.

Costello: All I'm trying to find out is the fellow's name on first base.

Abbott: Who.

[iceblue]

I smile.

[One320B]

Rob, I've seen your paint first hand and have nothing ill to say about.. I dont know if maybe i was just confused by the multiple photos that iceblue put up as to what his actual finished product looked like, but its looks um... odd to say the least....

I wont lie, I didnt paint my engine bay... there are times when I am more than humble enough to know I cant do certain things, and paint is one of them.. if it were a $300 project car like my FB is, than sure.. i'll spray it myself and it doesnt turn out bad at all, but if I want perfection, I go to a professional and I did.. he used a basecoat/clearcoat upon my request to get the desired finish I wanted... I'm sure it will be durable enough for my setup and looks spectacular in the light (lol, yea... light in an engine bay.. i know) between the two, I think the full black engine bay looked best ..dunno who's that was, i think it was rob's... the pinkish/white-ish/blackish engine bay came across like many other rice cars I've seen out there... inconsistent. I prefer a wet look and a nice flat paint; that other stuff looked extremely rough ...even if it isnt in person...

[j9fd3s]

rx7 people are the only people who would make the paint shinier UNDER the hood.... i did it too

[Baldy]

I bought some Simple Green, and some semi-gloss black Dupicolor spray cans. I went to clean it, and started with nylon and wire brushes.

All the black paint (from previous owner) came off so easily, we just decided to scrub it all off and keep the stock red engine bay. Took maybe 1.5 to 2 hours.

Since the car is blue, and the bay is red, maybe I'll paint some engine accents white. That way if anyone criticizes it, I can accuse them of being unpatriotic.

[rotorwiki]

I'm getting ready to do my engine bay as well... But, I won't be going "balls deep" like you guys are having a pissing contest over. I will, however, be cleaning like a mofo with whatever gets rid of the junk. Probably simple green/purple power, then I'm going to scotchbrite the hell out of it, then sand it with 220 real good... then sand it down some more with 400.. mask everything off....then primer it... then sand it again... then primer it again... then sand a little.. then paint a bunch of times.

Thats my plan. Its cheap, non-complicated, and will probably work pretty damn well. Chances are the paint will last longer than I will own this particular car... I'm not going to beat myself up over it. :)

[Rob x-7]

One320B, on Dec 13 2006, 05:51 PM, said:

Rob, I've seen your paint first hand and have nothing ill to say about.. I dont know if maybe i was just confused by the multiple photos that iceblue put up as to what his actual finished product looked like, but its looks um... odd to say the least....

I wont lie, I didnt paint my engine bay... there are times when I am more than humble enough to know I cant do certain things, and paint is one of them.. if it were a $300 project car like my FB is, than sure.. i'll spray it myself and it doesnt turn out bad at all, but if I want perfection, I go to a professional and I did.. he used a basecoat/clearcoat upon my request to get the desired finish I wanted... I'm sure it will be durable enough for my setup and looks spectacular in the light (lol, yea... light in an engine bay.. i know) between the two, I think the full black engine bay looked best ..dunno who's that was, i think it was rob's... the pinkish/white-ish/blackish engine bay came across like many other rice cars I've seen out there... inconsistent. I prefer a wet look and a nice flat paint; that other stuff looked extremely rough ...even if it isnt in person...

the black engine bay is on Kevin's yellow car